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LSU has a coaching problem, not a money problem.

Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:12 am
Posted by tigerbait2010
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Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:12 am
Losing Underwood sucks, but we offered the kid 6 million dollars. Do yall really think that’s chump change in college football? It is more than enough to be a contender in football.


The problem is that Brian Kelly had made multiple bad hires, countless terrible evaluations (assuming he even scouts kids), poor organizational structure, and the list goes on.


We should not be in year one of a rebuild in year three. And that is not because LSU can’t afford any top recruits.

Losing underwood wouldn’t be a big deal at all if Kelly spent less time at the Uclub and a bit more time leading this program.
Posted by ChestRockwell
In the heart of horse country
Member since Jul 2021
5946 posts
Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:18 am to
Use the money from Underwood, and invest into players in the trenches. Football is won or lost on both lines of scrimmage. Anyone remember how Lamar Jackson did against LSU in the bowl game? 20 something rushes for 30 something yards. The Tigers had NFL players on defense. Yes, he's won multiple MVP awards, but has constantly flamed out in the playoffs. Georgia and Michigan have won titles with average qb play, and a run game. How? Because of dominate line play. It starts with that.
Posted by tigerbait2010
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Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:23 am to
Ole Miss doesn’t have 70 four and five stars. They have excellent skill players and are talented in the trenches. You don’t need 30 million in NIL.

You need good coaching and development. We’ve signed two top 10 classes with Kelly. Are they all busts? How can someone like Indiana be gang busters with a fraction of our talent and resources?


Sure looks like coaching to me, not LSU overpaying for a high school kid.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:23 am to
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we offered the kid 6 million dollars.


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yall really think that’s chump change in college football?


apparently so since the offer he accepted was double that

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he problem is that Brian Kelly had made multiple bad hires, countless terrible evaluations (assuming he even scouts kids), poor organizational structure, and the list goes on.


We should not be in year one of a rebuild in year three. And that is not because LSU can’t afford any top recruits.



none of that matters because

the offer he accepted was double that


Posted by tigerbait2010
PNW
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:24 am to
And yes, I think LSU needs to refine and improve its NIL program. That doesn’t mean we should be this poorly run of a program at this point under Kelly’s tenure.
Posted by tigerbait2010
PNW
Member since May 2006
31784 posts
Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:25 am to
Okay? And we lost him. Things wouldn’t be dire if this staff evaluated and developed talent better. Even with Underwood all of our writers are screaming for us to take at least 10-15 transfers and break the bank because we are devoid of talent.


It shouldn’t be a big deal losing Underwood if the program is on solid foundations, which it currently is not and we all know it:
Posted by Draco Malfoy
Member since Mar 2024
1732 posts
Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:27 am to
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The problem is that Brian Kelly had made multiple bad hires, countless terrible evaluations (assuming he even scouts kids), poor organizational structure, and the list goes on.


We should not be in year one of a rebuild in year three. And that is not because LSU can’t afford any top recruits.

Losing underwood wouldn’t be a big deal at all if Kelly spent less time at the Uclub and a bit more time leading this program.


Everything he said he would do to establish an "alignment" he is not doing.

1. He isn't recruiting like he should at the high school level.
2. He isn't developing our players
3. His coordinator hires have been horrible.
Posted by tigerbait1.6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2013
4189 posts
Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:28 am to
We have never had a money problem, we have always had a coaching problem. Miles didn’t adapt and O caught lightning in a bottle. But the fact is they both won here, BK not being able to win here while Miles and O won a NC here must be demoralizing
Posted by tigerbait2010
PNW
Member since May 2006
31784 posts
Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:29 am to
Exactly. This program is cooked and it isn’t because we didn’t offer a high school kid 12 million. It’s because this program has incredibly poor leadership.
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
19674 posts
Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:31 am to
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The problem is that Brian Kelly had made multiple bad hires


This is the one that gets me. All those defensive firings last year were guys he hired, and he replaced them with Baker and Raymond, guys who were already here when he came and he ran them off initially. And Bo Davis who is a former player. And if he makes wholesale changes on the offense this year, all of those are guys he hired aside from Brad Davis who was the only retainer from the previous regime but it was still his decision to keep him. He would have essentially fired all the guys he hired, signaling he did a poor job of hiring the first go round. I'm glad he's getting guys with Louisiana ties but it's still a bad look to fire the guys you initially hired and rehire guys you ran off that was initially hired by O. Kind of sends a message that O of all people is as good or better at hiring a staff than you.
Posted by pingman
Cajun Country, LA
Member since Dec 2013
444 posts
Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:31 am to
I don't think all of a sudden veteran football coaches forget how to coach....I really believe LSU has no leadership on the field.....There is no one who takes charge and lead by example. All successful teams have that guy on the field....without leadership, the team is still searching for someone to follow....
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
27856 posts
Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:33 am to
LSU has a coaching problem AND a money problem
Posted by p226
Lafayette
Member since Sep 2016
1558 posts
Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:36 am to
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Michigan have won titles with average qb play, and a run game. How? Because of dominate line play.


I watch clips of Michigan OLine play to see how they run block-pulling linemen, weird stunts they do to get more blockers than defenders at the point of attack. Fascinating to watch.

And a few years back, they were doing it with small-ish OLine-men.
Posted by tigerbait2010
PNW
Member since May 2006
31784 posts
Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:47 am to
I refuse to let Kelly off on this and say we don’t give this program enough money. He isn’t good with the incredible amount of money and resources we currently do pour into the program.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
69169 posts
Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:51 am to
LSU doesn't have the bank roll to compete in the new NIL age. We tied up too much money with Kelly and staff.

Sorry guys, but our competitiveness is going to be largely based on our cash flow, and LSU doesn't have the endowment to consistently get the best players, best coaches, best stuff, and be the best year after year.
Posted by ChestRockwell
In the heart of horse country
Member since Jul 2021
5946 posts
Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:59 am to
Indiana is gang busters due to a weak schedule and not beating 1 ranked team all year. Dream ends tomorrow. Put it this way, I was never a believer in the so called "stars" ranking with HS recruiting. Do you need talent to play big not football? Absolutely. Coaching and development does matter, but it also has to do with evaluation and getting the right players. Maybe the ones LSU are selecting , simply can't play on a top level. Nobody on this Earth can honesty say if Underwood can play against other D1 players. Kelly and the recruiting have to dona better job in the evaluation process. The Tigers simply don't have enough horses right now who are good enough. The offensive line probably got a bit too cocky and listening to everyone saying how good the group was. They weren't good even at full strength.
Posted by ChestRockwell
In the heart of horse country
Member since Jul 2021
5946 posts
Posted on 11/22/24 at 11:00 am to
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Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
5258 posts
Posted on 11/22/24 at 11:07 am to
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don't think all of a sudden veteran football coaches forget how to coach


Some coaches are not meant to be HC, just like some coaches can do a fine job in the Midwest but get to the SEC and realize their ideas, process, plans don't work here. It happens all the time. No different than moving form HS to College - the layers don't forget how to play, they just are not good enough at the next level.

Look at how many coaches have been run through SEC teams and can't cut it. Kelly is no different - The SEC was too much for his staff and him and he was a bit ignorant of that reality.
Posted by SaintLSU
Gretna
Member since Apr 2007
3839 posts
Posted on 11/22/24 at 11:08 am to
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Exactly. This program is cooked and it isn’t because we didn’t offer a high school kid 12 million. It’s because this program has incredibly poor leadership.



Starting with the AD. This school has been cursed with terrible AD’s who hire/ and or extended coaches that were incompetent. SW was supposed to be an upgrade but so far we see the same movie. Terrible coaching hire leading to more staff buyouts.
This post was edited on 11/22/24 at 11:10 am
Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
10504 posts
Posted on 11/22/24 at 11:27 am to
And sadly this is why I’ve almost lost all interest in college football. LSU included.
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