re: LSU Football Practice Thursday: AM Session

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Nothing could be further from truth. This is a drill that should be won by the defense for these reasons:
1. There's no guesswork as to what kind of block is coming.
2. The Defense knows the snap count(they won't in a game or scrimmage.)
3. The defensive player is right up on the line of scrimmage as to thwart momentum from the offensive player (they won't be allowed to be right upon the offensive player in game or scrimmage).

Make no mistake about it, it is a defensive drill. If a defensive player is getting beat in this drill it is troubling.

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Your conclusion that this drill should be won by the defense is flat wrong.

It's true that all three things you mention are an advantage for the defender in this drill compared to a game. However, there is NO advantage for the defensive player compared to the offensive player in this drill.

Both players start at the same time. Both players try to use leverage, size, and strength to push the other player backwards. Neither player has an advantage under the rules of the drill. Two players with similar size, strength, and skill should play to a tie every time.

The only advantage a player has is what the player brings brings to the drill. A stronger, larger, or more skilled player should beat a weaker, smaller, or less skilled player. F=ma

Hawkins weighs about 30% more than Hunter. So, unless Hunter is about 30% stronger or better than Hawkins, Hawkins should win.


Imagine Brumfield against Welter. Do you think Welter would win? F=ma


Finally, the goal in this drill versus the goal in a game is different. In this drill, if the offense gains one inch, the offense wins. In a game, if the offense gains six feet on every play, the defense wins.

bubble screen option is scary

The advantages you mentioned are true, but they are more of an equalizer. The Olineman has these as well. Defender can't get around / rip through the OL like they are trained to do. They have to try to go straight though them. It's size, strength, and leverage versus size, strength, and levererage. Hunter could have won this had he gotten lower the Alexander and driven him up and ultimately back. But he hit him on a similar level and Hawkins size and strength pushed Hunter. No one really has an advantage here.

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telling you the defensive man (especially lineman) should win in this drill.

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Because offensive players are pussies and only have the snap count in their favor? Because that's about all I get out of this statement....

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Again the drill is a drill in which the defense has advantages they don't normally have.

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Everyone agrees with you. The defender has advantages compared to a defender playing under the rules of a game or scrimmage.

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Thus it is a drill in which compared to a game or scrimmage that the defense has advantages working in their favor.

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Everyone agrees with you. The defender has advantages compared to a defender playing under the rules of a game or scrimmage.

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the defensive man (especially lineman) should win in this drill.

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Why? The defensive player has NO advantage compared to the offensive player in this drill. None.

I don't care that you played in the NFL for three years as an offensive lineman. The laws of physics still apply.

Let me ask you some questions.

Who would win if Jerald Hawkins played as a D lineman against La'el Collins as an O lineman? Why?

Who would win if Welter played against Brumfield? Why?

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Im no coach but it looks like a pick 6 waiting to happen..

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That's why it's an option play. Can't remember what QB replays I was watching a week ago that used it several times in a game last year. You can fake the run and lateral it back, or take the ball and run with it.

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a d end beats the tackle with stunts and or being faster than the tackle....they will never win a match up lining up directly in front of an offensive tackle and taking him head on. d ends make a living on sacks and tackles for loss and they do this by beating the tackle around the edge or shooting a gap why do d ends line up outside of of the offensive tackle?

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These aren't the big 290-300lbs DEs you see on 3-4 defenses and some 4-3 defenses. Guys like Hunter would be a LB in 3-4 defenses. Hell, he would be an LB in an NFL sized 4-3 defense.

DEs this light aren't usually very good in run defense, as they usually just try not to get washed down the line or pancaked. Also Hawkins is pretty strong and had perfect technique.

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Can't remember what QB replays I was watching a week ago that used it several times in a game last year.

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Nick Marshall ran a variation of this PA bubble screen last season. It was pretty effective against UGA IIRC.

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they'll be hawkins type players up and down SEC d-fronts.


dude got owned...stop making excuses.

Yes hawkins is bigger, hunter is plenty big enough to get over on someone who is bigger than he is physically.

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You need to be seen and not heard. It is not a DE's job to engage a DT. It is to elude the DT and get to the QB or RB. The Big Cat drill is not how a DE plays the game. And only a knucklehead would infer how good a DE is from the drill. The drill neutralized a player's speed and elusiveness and over emphasizes size and strength. It sort of like the same advantage a DE would have against a DT in a foot race. And some dummy claiming the DT was no good because he lost a foot race to a DE.

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I really have no idea what you are trying to say.

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Don't worry about it. Those who can, will understand. Those who can't should move on and read what they do understand. Life is much simpler that way.