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LSU Football 1989....what happened?

Posted on 3/3/11 at 7:50 am
Posted by CHSvideoman
B/t Spanish Town & Beauregard Town
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/3/11 at 7:50 am
Ok I was born in 1991 so I'm just now discovering the football that was going on around the time of my arrival. Can somebody explain to me why we were so bad? Such a drop off from the season before.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
45160 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 7:52 am to
Mike Archer happened
Posted by Tigergreg
Metairie
Member since Feb 2005
26919 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 7:53 am to
Archer mostly, but we lost 4 games that year by a TD or less.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138684 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 7:57 am to
Mike Archer got this grand idea to FOCUS his recruiting efforts in Texas, specifically the Houston area. Brought a lot of guys over that did not pan out.
Posted by Newbomb Turk
perfectanschlagen
Member since May 2008
9961 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 8:07 am to
quote:

Mike Archer got this grand idea to FOCUS his recruiting efforts in Texas, specifically the Houston area. Brought a lot of guys over that did not pan out.


Long before the internet and all of these recruiting services, the only/best way for us recruiting nuts to get recruiting news was to listen to some of the local radio shows during recruiting season.

I remember constantly hearing about how "this 5-star Louisiana recruit" was going to Michigan, Miami, Florida State, Notre Dame, Texas, etc. We seemed to lose all of the big-name, big-time LA recruits.

Instead, when recruiting day rolled around we would hear that "such-and-such LSU commitment chose LSU over TCU, Tulane, Northwestern, and Ole Miss." It was disheartening. I kept wondering why we were even recruiting players whose only options were Tulane, LSU and Northwestern.

I remember thinking that Archer wasn't going to last long losing all of LA top talent. Sure enough, as soon as he ran out of Arnsparger recruits, he folded like a cheap tent.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 8:22 am to
quote:

what happened?


Larry Horton.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 8:25 am to
Just wore out in late game situations. We had Florida State, Tennessee, Florida, Auburn, and Kentucky all in situations where we could have found a way to pull it out. We could only manage to have luck turn our way with a game saving INT vs. Ole Miss. We blew out Ohio, State, and Tulane, too. A&M and Bama were really the only two who drummed us.

Talent was there. Coaching was not. That was the last year for quite some time where we would see excellent players like Hodson, Fuller, Moss, and a never to be the same Harvard Williams. Harvey would return the following year, but by then, it was too late.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36896 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 8:33 am to
Signs were there in 1988. The meltdown in Columbus against what turned out to be Ohio State's lone losing season since '66 was telling. Blew a 33-20 lead in the final 5:00. Still that team won the SEC with some gritty wins--not taking anything away from them.

Texas A&M ran the season opening kickoff back for a td and it set the tone,at least for that game.Even though Hodson was a SR, we just didn't seem to have a lot of senior leadership. We went 2-5 in the SEC and 4-7 overall. But, only Alabama took it to us. All the other games came down to the last quarter and the Florida game came down to an extra second.

Low point may have been in Lexington when we had come off gutwrenching 16-13 losses to Florida and 10-6 loss to Auburn we got down 21-0 at halftime. Made a game of it but they finally won 27-21.

A microcosm of that season came the next week at home vs Tennessee. UT was top ten,and would finish 11-1 and 'co-champs' of the SEC. But after getting up 14-0,we were tied 14-14 with under a minute left in the half. Twice Hodson hit our TE in the hands wide open and he dropped the ball. With about :10 left,we kick a field goal to go up 17-14. Carl Pickens then ran the kickoff back for a td as time expired for Tennessee to take a 21-17 lead into halftime. We were "that" close to being up 21-14. That play sucked the life out of the team and crowd and they won 45-39 after we scored two late td's.

Spooky similarities to 1983,1989 and 1998.
Posted by LSU Tigerhead
Metairie
Member since Nov 2007
5165 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 9:55 am to
quote:

Mike Archer happened
Interestingly, Arnsparger left to become the AD at Florida and recommended Archer to take over.

Spurrier was a finalist for the job LSU and Arnsparger hired him at Florida.

I have friends who, to this day, think it was all Arnsparger who set that up.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36896 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 9:59 am to
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Spurrier was a finalist for the job LSU and Arnsparger hired him at Florida.

I have friends who, to this day, think it was all Arnsparger who set that up.


I think your friends are wrong. First of all, who in Dec of 1986 knew Galen Hall would be forced to resign in the middle of the 1989 season ? Also, Arnsparger wasn't as enthusiastic about hiring Spurrier as the fans and big boosters were.
Posted by LSU2NO
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
1949 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 10:12 am to
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never to be the same Harvard Williams. Harvey would return the following year, but by then, it was too late.

I was up in Montana working in Yellowstone. I drove 89 miles to Bozeman to rent a motel room so I could watch LSU\A&M. I saw that Harvey Williams boasted about whupping up on Texas A&M(You have to remember, he grew up right around College Station). A&M took the opening kickoff for a touchdown and Williams ran like a girl. The demise of LSU football started right there.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70160 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 10:14 am to
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Texas A&M ran the season opening kickoff back for a td and it set the tone,at least for that game


I remember this well. Not 5 minutes before they were touting LSU's special teams as the best in the nation
Posted by 610man
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
8329 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 10:23 am to
This was the first year we had season tickets. I was 8 my first game was a&m. Lost alot of tough games that year. But they did pound Ohio u. I remember that one.
Posted by 610man
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
8329 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 10:27 am to
Shows you how different times were, that year fan day was on the same as spring game, I think. We ate with the team that morning sat in the pressbox for the game, and went down to the locker room and waited for players autographs as they came out. If i remember correctly not many folks were there either. Still got hodson autograph from that day. Maybe this wasn't fan day, maybe just spring game, but it was a very low key deal not many people and access to everyone.
Posted by LCTigers69
Member since Nov 2010
151 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 12:52 pm to
The beginning of the end of the Mike Archer era began in 1988:

at Ohio State
at Florida
vs. Miami (at home)

The Ohio State game was a 4th quarter meltdown of epic proportions. The Miami game was complete and total domination by the Hurricanes. The Bowl game in Tampa was a "no-show" when LSU sleepwalked through a 23-10 loss to Syracuse.

The collapse that followed was inevitable. The program lacked discipline. Recruiting was falling off. The 1989 season started at Texas A&M, and went downhill from there. Six straight losing seasons followed before 1995.

Mike Archer was a class individual, but was in over his head. The players, after Arnsbarger left for Florida, demanded Archer be made head coach. Spurrier wanted, but was not granted an interview. The players got their man, and the program fell hard and fast.
This post was edited on 3/3/11 at 12:55 pm
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
56548 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 1:56 pm to
Players walked all over Archer who was not ready for the big time being so young.

Hallman was to busy chasing coeds on campus to worry about coaching a football team.
Posted by TigahRag
Sorting Out OT BS Since 2005
Member since May 2005
132775 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 2:46 pm to
shite, bill arnsparger got the hell out of here when he ran out of jerry stovall's recruits .. jerry's 1983 signing class and the 1984 class that he all but had sewn up before he was fired took care of 1984-1988 ... there never was "arnsparger's players" .. arnsparger made it clear from day one that he wasn't going to recruit, just coach ..
Posted by RhodeIslandRed
Adrift Off the Spanish Main
Member since Aug 2009
3175 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

as soon as he ran out of Arnsparger recruits, he folded like a cheap tent.


As soon as Arnsparger ran through Stovall's recruits he struck the tent and high tailed it to Florida, but before leaving LSU he pulled the pin on a Mike Archer grenade and tossed it into the locker room.
Posted by cleetus
Houston
Member since Nov 2010
4101 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 3:12 pm to
because of the "me" attitude on the team and the players telling the coaches who would be playing instead of the coaches playing the best..and if it wasn't who the players wanted then let's just say the best effort wasn't made by those on the field. We just didn't have the coaches to take control on the field. Inmates running the asylum type of approach.

For years this was the knock on LSU and it took Saban coming in and giving it a team feel, and that team success is to come first over individual success.
Posted by los angeles tiger
1,601 miles from Tiger Stadium
Member since Oct 2003
55976 posts
Posted on 3/3/11 at 3:15 pm to
What is amazing is I remember back during the Hallman years wondering if we would ever be good at football again. We went from the darkest days (90's) of LSU football to the greatest glory days this past decade.
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