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re: LSU Football 1989....what happened?
Posted on 3/3/11 at 3:21 pm to CHSvideoman
Posted on 3/3/11 at 3:21 pm to CHSvideoman
These guys left:
Eric Andolsek
Nacho Albergamo
Eric Hill
Nicky Hazard
Greg Jackson
Ron Sancho
Wendell Davis
Ralph Norwood
7 Tigers were taken in the '88 NFL draft, 6 in the '89 draft, 7 in '90, 3 in '91, 2 in '92 and ZERO in 1993.
So 4 years after the 1989 season not a single Tiger was drafted by the NFL for the first time in, like, forever.
That's pretty much what happened.
Eric Andolsek
Nacho Albergamo
Eric Hill
Nicky Hazard
Greg Jackson
Ron Sancho
Wendell Davis
Ralph Norwood
7 Tigers were taken in the '88 NFL draft, 6 in the '89 draft, 7 in '90, 3 in '91, 2 in '92 and ZERO in 1993.
So 4 years after the 1989 season not a single Tiger was drafted by the NFL for the first time in, like, forever.
That's pretty much what happened.
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Posted on 3/3/11 at 3:27 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Why are we having to relive those nightmare years?
I try to make the 90's much like the series Dallas, when Bobby Ewing was killed, but it ended up just being a nightmare that wasn't true.
I try to make the 90's much like the series Dallas, when Bobby Ewing was killed, but it ended up just being a nightmare that wasn't true.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 3:31 pm to los angeles tiger
Bill left because of the lack of talent and prop 48 kiled recruiting in the state, BUT BILL NEVER LIKED TO RECRUIT ANYWAY.
He left LSU in a deep hole at DB, LB, and DL.
If not for Harmon and Young coming in form SMU 1988 may have been a break even season at best.
Archer signed everyone in Louisiana he went after and it is not until 1990 that the in state talent level started to go back up after near 4 years of drought talent wise.
Texas A&m like many colleges at the time lived off Juco players.
LSU recruited Miss, Texas and Florida at the time, but drew a bust at the 3 number 1 players signed out of state, combined with losing 3 OL to other cause made LSU a team limpping into the 1989 season.
He left LSU in a deep hole at DB, LB, and DL.
If not for Harmon and Young coming in form SMU 1988 may have been a break even season at best.
Archer signed everyone in Louisiana he went after and it is not until 1990 that the in state talent level started to go back up after near 4 years of drought talent wise.
Texas A&m like many colleges at the time lived off Juco players.
LSU recruited Miss, Texas and Florida at the time, but drew a bust at the 3 number 1 players signed out of state, combined with losing 3 OL to other cause made LSU a team limpping into the 1989 season.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 3:43 pm to los angeles tiger
quote:
Why are we having to relive those nightmare years?
I try to make the 90's much like the series Dallas, when Bobby Ewing was killed, but it ended up just being a nightmare that wasn't true.
I started at LSU in 83 and finished in '90, so the '89-'90 seasons were right there at the end for me.
I kinda had a bad feeling during that Miami game. Miami had just scored on a loooong play, maybe towards the end of the 2nd, or maybe start of the 3rd, when a whisky bottle came flying out of the stands onto the field. I can't remember now if it was Hill or Jackson who picked up the bottle and hurled it right back into the stands, but I remember thinking, "Damn! I sure wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of THAT!"
Then it started to sink in, this team had just clinched a share of the SEC title the week before, had beaten Alabama AND shaken the Earth beating #4 Auburn, and this was how LSU fans were treating this team.
That was my first impression of what a bunch of frickwads LSU fans could be. I kind of saw the early 90's as a sort of healing process for Tigerdom.
No, I will never forget how bad it can get (thank you Curley). I will forever be thankful for Tiger victories (thank you Dinardo). I will never be so spolied that I would condone throwing trash at the Tigers - verbally or literally.
My only wish is that the bottle hit the fan who threw it squarely in the head.
...but the chances are slim.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 3:48 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
I started at LSU in 83 and finished in '90, so the '89-'90 seasons were right there at the end for me.
We were at LSU much of the same time. Good to know another on here that crammed 4 years into 7.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 3:51 pm to los angeles tiger
started in '80 and graduated in '84. 
Before the inevitable,"boy was LSU stupid to pass over Spurrier for Archer" posts, remember after the 1986 season these football powers were looking for a new head coach,too:
Alabama
Southern California
Texas
Before the inevitable,"boy was LSU stupid to pass over Spurrier for Archer" posts, remember after the 1986 season these football powers were looking for a new head coach,too:
Alabama
Southern California
Texas
Posted on 3/3/11 at 3:56 pm to I-59 Tiger
quote:
started in '80 and graduated in '84.
Before the inevitable,"boy was LSU stupid to pass over Spurrier for Archer" posts, remember after the 1986 season these football powers were looking for a new head coach,too:
Alabama
Southern California
Texas
Oh, yes. I remember Texas fans with shirts that said "The Longhorns are AKERS away from Cotton!"
It slays me now when I read anything "scandalous" about todays student section when I think back to how much worse the student section at LSU was when we were there. Hell, all the parties that went on year round on campus are something that are rather a foreign concept now.
BTW - love the Jot avatar.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:01 pm to tigger1
quote:
Bill left because of the lack of talent and prop 48 kiled recruiting in the state, BUT BILL NEVER LIKED TO RECRUIT ANYWAY.
bullshite.
Bill left because he couldn't stand the good old boy, penny-ante, unprofessional assholes running LSU back then.
I'm pretty sure Arnsparger signed these guys who all went to the NFL:
Marc Boutte DL
Verge Ausberry LB
Karl Dunbar DL
Greg Jackson DB
Eric Hill LB
Mike Mayes DB
Ron Sancho LB
Rudy Harmon LB
Ronnie Haliburton LB
Clint James DL
And keep in mind, he was only coach at LSU for 3 seasons.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:03 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
Bill left because he couldn't stand the good old boy, penny-ante, unprofessional assholes running LSU back then.
Another horrible memory. That is why we got the illustrious Joe Dean.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:06 pm to los angeles tiger
I must confess I got caught up in the euphoria and wanted Archer. But the whole circus surrounding his hiring was embarrassing.
Dean was AD in waiting,but wasn't going to touch the football job with a ten foot pole and waited until April. The board kept coming up with goofy ideas. I remember Marianne Freeman came up with some parliamentary procedure to delay and was so proud of herself she shrieked" maybe Bobby will buy me a new outfit !". And Sheldon Beychock wanted to kiss her for it. They wanted to hire Archer on a one year basis at first.
Dean was AD in waiting,but wasn't going to touch the football job with a ten foot pole and waited until April. The board kept coming up with goofy ideas. I remember Marianne Freeman came up with some parliamentary procedure to delay and was so proud of herself she shrieked" maybe Bobby will buy me a new outfit !". And Sheldon Beychock wanted to kiss her for it. They wanted to hire Archer on a one year basis at first.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:07 pm to los angeles tiger
quote:
We were at LSU much of the same time. Good to know another on here that crammed 4 years into 7.
Yeah, that was back when students would actually work their way through school, instead of borrowing their way through.
The only summer I wasn't in school was '85.
Man, that 3rd floor Pentagon room would get HOT during the summer. I'd take 3-4 showers, AND swim in Huey's pool every day.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:08 pm to Tigergreg
Every one beat me to the answer. Archer! 
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:10 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
WildTchoupitoulas
BILL never like to recruit, just ask the staff at the time, it was so bad, Mike Archer became the defacto head recruiter.
It is Mike that made many in home visit, because Bill didn't like to do them.
That is why Archer goes form the DB coach to recruiter/db coach the year after Bill gets to LSU.
Anyone close to what was going on in the football office can tell you about Bill, who in his last 2 years spent more time tring to get the AD job at LSU and then Florida, that other caoches handled much of the day to day work off season.
BILL never like to recruit, just ask the staff at the time, it was so bad, Mike Archer became the defacto head recruiter.
It is Mike that made many in home visit, because Bill didn't like to do them.
That is why Archer goes form the DB coach to recruiter/db coach the year after Bill gets to LSU.
Anyone close to what was going on in the football office can tell you about Bill, who in his last 2 years spent more time tring to get the AD job at LSU and then Florida, that other caoches handled much of the day to day work off season.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:11 pm to I-59 Tiger
quote:
Dean was AD in waiting,but wasn't going to touch the football job with a ten foot pole and waited until April. The board kept coming up with goofy ideas. I remember Marianne Freeman came up with some parliamentary procedure to delay and was so proud of herself she shrieked" maybe Bobby will buy me a new outfit !". And Sheldon Beychock wanted to kiss her for it. They wanted to hire Archer on a one year basis at first.
It's hard to believe such a big-time college football program could be run by such a bunch of amateurs. I guess they just riode Cholly the Mule so long the administration got rotten to the core. As long as he was coaching the team, they could all just lean back and enjoy their cocktails and keep the program on cruise control.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:15 pm to CHSvideoman
I can tell you that we had BIG hopes for that team. We also were all puffed up (big mistake) that we were recruiting well in Texas and thought we were going to continue/improve on the 8/10 wins per season we had from 84-through 88.
Archer was seen by those removed from the program as an up-and-comer, and there was a lot of talk that he would eventually replace JoePa at Penn State (Archer was from there) as JoePa was getting really old by 89.
That 89 team was snakebit,and the program went into rapid decline.
Archer was seen by those removed from the program as an up-and-comer, and there was a lot of talk that he would eventually replace JoePa at Penn State (Archer was from there) as JoePa was getting really old by 89.
That 89 team was snakebit,and the program went into rapid decline.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:18 pm to TigahRag
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"shite, bill arnsparger got the hell out of here when he ran out of jerry stovall's recruits .. jerry's 1983 signing class and the 1984 class that he all but had sewn up before he was fired took care of 1984-1988 ... there never was "arnsparger's players"
The absolute truth. Arnsbarger screwed up our program for years. He had no allegiance to LSU.
Stovall could sell a freezer to an eskimo.
"shite, bill arnsparger got the hell out of here when he ran out of jerry stovall's recruits .. jerry's 1983 signing class and the 1984 class that he all but had sewn up before he was fired took care of 1984-1988 ... there never was "arnsparger's players"
The absolute truth. Arnsbarger screwed up our program for years. He had no allegiance to LSU.
Stovall could sell a freezer to an eskimo.
This post was edited on 3/3/11 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:19 pm to Lsupimp
Archer made some insane comment about needing to recruit nationally alluding that La talent wasn't going to cut it. Went over like a lead baloon with the coaches in state,especially the ones who could steer a player one place or another.
But,even with the Alabama loss, after year one at 10-1-1 I was pretty excited about the future.
But,even with the Alabama loss, after year one at 10-1-1 I was pretty excited about the future.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:20 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
Yeah, that was back when students would actually work their way through school, instead of borrowing their way through.
The only summer I wasn't in school was '85.
Man, that 3rd floor Pentagon room would get HOT during the summer. I'd take 3-4 showers, AND swim in Huey's pool every day.
There's nothing like spending the summers at LSU. That's the best time to be on campus and I was at Huey's pool every day as well and hung out at The Library.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:20 pm to tigger1
quote:
BILL never like to recruit, just ask the staff at the time, it was so bad, Mike Archer became the defacto head recruiter.
It is Mike that made many in home visit, because Bill didn't like to do them.
That is why Archer goes form the DB coach to recruiter/db coach the year after Bill gets to LSU.
It's curious then that the talent level dropped off DRAMATICALLY 4 years after BILL left, not Archer.
The '93 draft is squarely on Archer's shoulders NOT Arnsparger's - not even Curley's. There were 7 Tigers taken in the 91, 92, 93 & 94 drafts COMBINED. What you say may be true, but then Archer must have fallen down a recruiting hole all of a sudden when he took over. Keep in mind Archer had a great start of 10-1-1 his first season to generate recruting interest.
And DON'T give me any Harvey Williams shite. I couldn't stand that fricking Aggie. Him with his gay-assed "hip pointer". Yeah, his arse hurt. Bitch.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:23 pm to I-59 Tiger
quote:
But,even with the Alabama loss, after year one at 10-1-1 I was pretty excited about the future.
I still blame that one loss on Taylor Hackford and the filming of Everybody's All-American.
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