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re: LSU could beat bama if they gave the state 1 dollar instead of millions
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:46 pm to Mr. Wayne
Posted on 12/1/14 at 2:46 pm to Mr. Wayne
quote:I love when my school's team wins football games, but in no way would I want LSU's program and its fan base to be like Alabama. I like football--it is very fun to watch. Those people take it way past fun. I don't want any part of that.
Money should absolutely be given to the University. Football programs should be treated like an investment as the school must fund the program to kickstart it. Bama does indeed have an advatage here
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Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:30 pm to Slippy
quote:I never realized those two facts stacked against each other. As compared to their peers, LSU football benefits its university more than average and its alumni less than average.
It is a UNIVERSITY, one that has been gutted by unfair state budget cuts for far too long.
I recognize that non-alums (particularly their money) are very important to the success of college football programs. But that doesn't mean that I have to like them. I have for years believed that alumni should get some sort of bone thrown their way when it comes to season ticket priority, as many other schools do, but no.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:32 pm to Rouge
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also, i do not think i can disagree more LSU is a University with a football program, not a football program with a University
I hear what your saying but giving surplus money to the University after expenses to athletics is one thing. Out and out pledging and guaranteeing X amount of dollars to the University from said program is opening a can of worms IMO.
This post was edited on 12/1/14 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:35 pm to Ponchy Tiger
So at LSU the football program is the "front porch"
and at Alabama the football program is the "house"
and at Alabama the football program is the "house"
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:41 pm to JETigER
Because LSU a higher education institution in the state that treats higher education the worst.
Were it not for the influx of cash the LSU football program pumps into public coffers every year, both major public university systems in Lousiana would be in much worse financial shape.
Were it not for the influx of cash the LSU football program pumps into public coffers every year, both major public university systems in Lousiana would be in much worse financial shape.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:41 pm to Slippy
Louisiana is a state with only 4 million people. a lot of these people are uneducated and near poor (or poor). and the state has too many colleges, imo. so the state either doesn't have the resources or doesn't allocate the resourses to properly fund LSU. graduates of other state schools are always whining about how much LSU gets but I think some of these schools should be closed down. i'm sure this attitude wouldn't win me any popularity contests but there simply isn't enough money to fund them all properly. and then only about 19% of louisianians have a degree beyond high school so the 81% don't give a shite. sad yet true. many, many LSU grads leave the state after graduation because the state economy doesn't provide enough good jobs to keep them. us, I should say. sorry for the diatribe but this has been under my craw for almost 50 years. 
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:41 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Football programs should be treated like an investment as the school must fund the program to kickstart it. Bama does indeed have an advatage here,
Explain please?
We are not talking about a school just starting a program. Both LSU and Bama are established programs that were started well over a 100 years ago. If anyone wants to bring the SLU argument, their program was kick started entirely with private funding. This was a requirements by the state before football was allowed to be brought back.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:49 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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If anyone wants to bring the SLU argument, their program was kick started entirely with private funding. This was a requirements by the state before football was allowed to be brought back.
But their football program doesn't make enough to fund the entire athletic dept. They make up the difference with student fees and University money.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 3:53 pm to JustSmokin
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But their football program doesn't make enough to fund the entire athletic dept. They make up the difference with student fees and University money.
I don't know how they fund all sports but I am sure your right. I was talking about the one who brought up money to kick the program off. Which is a dumb argument when both LSU and Bama have been playing football for well over a hundred years.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:43 pm to JustSmokin
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May be the right thing to do, but it is a financial hit that other ADs don't have to deal with.
as of june 2013, TAF had net capital assets in the amount of $142 million and the football team generated a net revenue of $48 million. 2013 TAF Audit
i'm not an accountant, so my apologies if my post misrepresents something. the point is that TAF is exceedingly wealthy and to suggest that it is a burden for them/the AD to donate to the university upon which they rely, that has had its funding cut mercilessly, then i'm not sure what can be done about your unrealistic expectations. our athletic department is one of the few revenue positive programs in the country, which is only possible through the agreements between LSU and TAF.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:46 pm to JETigER
I'm all for having football supporting all other athletics and being self sustaining. But LSU gives the university back 7.5M each year.
LSU cant keep up with the likes of Bama. They dwarf us on the recruiting budget and facilities. Not to mention they can offer recruits parents jobs and we can barely pay a coach to drive up to Monroe to see a player.
LSU cant keep up with the likes of Bama. They dwarf us on the recruiting budget and facilities. Not to mention they can offer recruits parents jobs and we can barely pay a coach to drive up to Monroe to see a player.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:48 pm to Hester Carries
I guess you told all those rednecks. a-hole
Posted on 12/1/14 at 4:52 pm to TutHillTiger
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LSU is the worst treated "flagship" school in the country by far
That's thanks to being shackled to the largest healthcare provider in the state and the most 4-year colleges per capita of any state while simultaneously having the fewest 2 year colleges (which are much cheaper to run) per capita of any state, AND a constitution that only allows for healthcare and education to be cut, which means LSU gets burnt at both ends every time.
Posted on 12/1/14 at 5:37 pm to DontCare
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as of june 2013, TAF had net capital assets in the amount of $142 million and the football team generated a net revenue of $48 million. 2013 TAF Audit
i'm not an accountant, so my apologies if my post misrepresents something. the point is that TAF is exceedingly wealthy and to suggest that it is a burden for them/the AD to donate to the university upon which they rely, that has had its funding cut mercilessly, then i'm not sure what can be done about your unrealistic expectations. our athletic department is one of the few revenue positive programs in the country, which is only possible through the agreements between LSU and TAF.
You missed my point. Most of the big schools make enough money to fund its athletic dept and give back to the University. Our athletic dept is one of a handful of schools not taking any money from the University. And, according to Alleva, we're the only school donating millions back to the University.
So yes, it's a financial hit to our athletic dept that our competition doesn't have to deal with.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 1:04 pm to JustSmokin
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Most of the big schools make enough money to fund its athletic dept and give back to the University. Our athletic dept is one of a handful of schools not taking any money from the University. And, according to Alleva, we're the only school donating millions back to the University.
i'm not missing it -your point is arbitrary. 1) TAF donations to the university are not an impediment to the athletic department because they are separate entities in a symbiotic relationship. 2) TAF owns the scoreboards and stadium expansions, charging LSU $4.5 million/year for use of those expansions and scoreboards. so, if you subtract whatever they donate from what they charge, then you'll likely see that TAF is coming out ahead, on the balance. (this is all according to a 2006 document authored by then-AD Skip Bertman). source
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