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re: LSU 1st Year QB Stats

Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:42 pm to
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
3669 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:42 pm to
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The point being that since Kelly’s been here we haven’t really tried to run the ball. It’s more of a changeup pitch than a focused intent. Mostly we’ve just dropped the QB back 40-50 times a game which isn’t going to win titles of any kind. That has to change.


Offense wasn’t the issue in 2023 and run blocking was poor in 2024. That’s not much of a basis to make such sweeping generalizations. The offense was absolutely good enough to win titles in 2023 if the defense had been even adequate.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
58982 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 10:59 pm to
Not really a sweeping generalization, it’s just a fact. How many teams who throw it 60% of the time win championships? I’m fairly certain it’s never happened before.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 11:10 pm
Posted by MasterKnight
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2016
1984 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:28 pm to
So Nuss is a first year starter but been in the system for 3 years compared to Burrow and Daniels who transferred after spring. Burrow had to play under center for the first time in his playing career. After the Bama loss in 18, did they allow him to do what he does.

What are you trying to prove by having these stats? Nuss is a good QB. One of the main issues is that he is reckless with the ball. He will throw into horrible coverage or lose the ball while being sacked. He has heart. He has resiliency.

If he comes back, I hope he improves. I don't see a Burrow level improvement. Not bc of talent but bc his receivers won't be the level Burrow had.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
8013 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:37 pm to
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Under 2 different head coaches and 3 different OCs. Burrow had more continuity in his growth despite playing for two different teams.


Do you understand that JB had a much worse 2 different head coaches and different OC scenario? Everything was different for him for his first starting season at LSU.

Regardless - so are you saying that this continuity in growth by playing a lot less during mop up duty including 3rd string time for completely different coaches including 2 different OCs, different school, different offense, and different teammates helped prepare JB better for success during his first starting season at LSU than Nuss’s 3 years at LSU, almost 6 times as many passing attempts, 6 times as many passing yards, twice as many games played including a start and other games with meaningful situations in all 3 seasons including the SEC championship in 2022, 2 years with current head coach, 2 years with Sloan, and 2 or 3 years with other offensive coaches, and 1 to 3 years of past practice & games with some of the current players helped prepare Nuss for success during his first starting season at LSU???

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No ins who brings up Burris is saying their situations are identical or that Nuss is going to be as good as him. It’s just to show maybe Nuss isn’t as bad as many people try to portray him.


They are using it to show this but also to push if he is already putting up better stats compared to JB and JD’s first starting season at LSU that everything will be fine and even improve next year. Nuss wouldn’t have made it halfway through the 2018 season if he transferred into LSU right before season like JB did and had the limited game experience JB had. He might not have made it through Miami with the hits and tackles on JB that first game.

Nuss had enough prior experience to where his stats aren’t that surprising to me. The collapse at A&M after starting game well was surprising. As are the following still consistent issues after year 4: The throws off back foot, feeling a pass rush not there yet, throwing side arm for no apparent reason, running left and throwing back across to the right (maybe not consistent but once was stupid enough to be included), seemingly having multiple “he gets it now” moments only to regress again the next game, and so on.


This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 11:45 pm
Posted by DocBugbear
Arlington, Texas
Member since Mar 2008
8117 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:37 pm to
This is where Joe Burrow became the killer. Apparently he just needed to get hammered.
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UCF 21/34 394 yards, 4 TDs, 1 INT
Maybe Nuss is going the same way after he got crunched.

After that hit he completed 12 passes on 16 attempts for 190 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs. ...And he started running more.

Let's see what we get in the bowl game.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
8013 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:10 am to
I thought he was talking more about Kelly’s philosophy of constantly calling passing plays by trying to include how often JD’s runs were actually called passing plays.

With JD we had some balance with running numbers because many passing plays turned into big runs by him. With Nuss all the passing calls stayed as passes (or sacks). JD covering up poor run blocking for RBs, and Nuss never running or being a true threat to run when a pass called dropped us to last place for rushing yards in the SEC (from 2nd), last place for rushing attempts in the SEC, and 3rd to last in rushing TDs in the SEC. Kelly, Sloan, and Davis failed getting offensive run game and run blocking geared around RBs and kept calling pass plays like in past even without running QB turning some into big runs. The RB coach also failed enough to where I can’t remember his name at the moment.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
16529 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 7:26 am to
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Jayden Daniels 2022
238/347 (68.6%)
3,390 Total Yards
26 Touchdowns
2 Interceptions


Daniels got a lot of hate in 2022 - an acquaintance just last week said he was - and I quote "garbage" his junior year here.

That's a pretty darn good stat line and does not even include is running stats.
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 7:28 am
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
21424 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 7:32 am to
Nuss is exactly who we thought he would be.....he is our QB and that's a good thing.

Here's the problem, this fan base has tasted Burrow and Daniels and anything less is unacceptable.....which is understandable and unfair at the same time.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
16529 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 7:37 am to
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Here's the problem, this fan base has tasted Burrow and Daniels and anything less is unacceptable.....which is understandable and unfair at the same time.


Burrow and Daniel both had their share of criticism the year before their Heisman campaigns. I'd argue Daniel got even more than Nuss has and Burrow about as much.
Posted by LSUDonMCO
Orlando
Member since Dec 2003
7802 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:00 am to
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11 Interceptions


One of these 4 is not like the other!
Posted by Tigerik
Franklin, TN
Member since Mar 2007
1714 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:11 am to
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Please include the following beauties:
Jordan Jefferson
Anthony Jennings
Danny Etling (was actually decent)
Brandon Harris

That's hilarous, .... "Beauties"
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