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re: LSU @ ArKansas: LSU 83 Ark 94…FINAL…Too sloppy, too much Battle

Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:15 pm to
Posted by mcmaniacinsaneasylum
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:15 pm to
He was 6'7'' coming out of HS and had a growth spurt to 6'10'' and his coaching staff at USM/GW switched his game to a pick and roll center because of how athletic he is. Just because of that doesn't eliminate his past ball skills and shooting ability.

You can't judge someone's shooting ability on 11 career threes.
Posted by saintsfan22
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:15 pm to
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He wasn't always a C. Coming out of HS he was a guard/wing. Had ball skills. Could shoot.

Look at his shot mechanics. He has a smooth form, it's not janky like Reed or hitchy like Baker. He can shoot.
18% from 3 an 62% from the line over 5 seasons says there's probably not a shooter hiding in there waiting to be unleashed.
Posted by TigerFan91
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:16 pm to
His college coaches are grinding his tape and watching him practice every day. If it was an option for him at some point in his five years he’d have attempted more than 10 threes in a single season
Posted by ScootiniTiger
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:17 pm to
Mens BB is hard to watch.
Posted by LSUScores
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:18 pm to
Tigers never had a chance to win tonight. The line almost doubled from +2.5 to 4.5. I know a couple of pretty big players that were offering LSU +8.5 in game.
Posted by saintsfan22
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:19 pm to
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He was 6'7'' coming out of HS and had a growth spurt to 6'10'' and his coaching staff at USM/GW switched his game to a pick and roll center because of how athletic he is.

He is athletic, if he could shoot along with that he's pretty much exactly what you want in the pick and roll so it's unlikely they would have told him to not do the shooting aspect of that.
Posted by VL Lsutiger
Gonzales
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:19 pm to
We need some athletic bigs....chest could of def helped this team out, Collins too
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:21 pm to
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Refs won’t let us win unfortunately.



They impacted the game but LSU didn't look like they needed the help losing TBH.
Posted by mcmaniacinsaneasylum
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:24 pm to
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He is athletic, if he could shoot along with that he's pretty much exactly what you want in the pick and roll so it's unlikely they would have told him to not do the shooting aspect of that.


That’s my point exactly, when he had his growth spurt his coaches didn’t see the need to develop his shooting when he could dominate the pick and roll.

I go to every game and I get there early and watch the full 60 minutes of warmups and pre game activity. I see him shooting threes every warmup and making more than actual shooters on our team like wright, Wilkinson, etc.

Even if he can’t shoot at least try when the paint was not working for us at all.

He has good mechanics unlike our bigs that are allowed to shoot (reed and baker). they are given the green light despite not being good shooters. just give dean the same treatment
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 8:35 pm
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:45 pm to
LSU made almost the same amount of FGs as Arkansas and the same amount of 3’s. It just that Arkansas, when the weren’t turning the ball over, was getting any shot they wanted at any time. Given the caliber of opponent, this was the worst defensive game LSU has played all season. A little bit of added scoring may have made it a bit closer. But wasn’t winning the game. LSU was THAT bad on defense
Posted by TigerFan91
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:45 pm to
Do we need TAMU to win out and earn a NCAA bid? I know they’ve been flirting with the bubble for two months now and they have a solid OOC resume and high NET.

If they get in we’d get the auto qualifier for NIT? Unless State gets boat raced and loses out then they get bumped to the NIT
Posted by HubbaBubba
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:49 pm to
Reed was super sloppy in the second half. His play is why they lost momentum. Does he not know how to pass off?
Posted by extremelsu
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:24 pm to
Hannibal lead the team with 4 turnovers. Box score only has 2 listed for Reed and 1 for baker. Felt like more than that
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 7:31 am to
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Do we need TAMU to win out and earn a NCAA bid?


NET rankings right now

Tennessee 5
Auburn 6
Alabama 7
Kentucky 20
Florida 27
Mississippi St. 39
South Carolina 47
Texas A&M 49
Ole Miss 78
LSU 89
Georgia 102
Arkansas 116
Missouri 157
Vanderbilt 218


If that remains fairly static, I would expect everyone with a NET under 50 would get in the NCAA tournament barring virtually every auto qualifier tournament being won by a team that would not get a bid. Of course, nothing is ever guaranteed. But if all those guys get in as I expect, Ole Miss & LSU would then get NIT hosting bids.

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2023/10/27/media-center-nit-announces-changes-to-tournament-selection-format.aspx

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The NIT Board of Managers has announced changes for the 2024 National Invitation Tournament that impact how teams qualify.

For the 2024 NIT, conference regular-season champions that do not win their conference tournament or are not otherwise selected to the NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship will not receive an automatic bid to the NIT.

Instead, the NIT will guarantee two teams (based on the NET rankings) from each of six conferences (Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and Southeastern). The top two teams in the NET rankings not qualifying for the NCAA men's basketball tournament from each conference, regardless of win-loss record, will be selected. Additionally, the 12 teams automatically selected will be guaranteed the opportunity to host a game in the first round of the NIT.

Once the 12 automatic qualifying schools have been selected, the NIT Committee will select the 20 best teams available to complete the tournament's 32-team field. Based on the NIT Committee's evaluation, the best four teams of the 20 at-large teams selected will complete the 16 first-round hosts, with deference given to the "first four teams out" of the Division I Men's Basketball Championship, as determined by the NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Committee. Additional teams from the six conferences with automatic qualifications are eligible to be selected as at-large teams and can be selected as hosts.

"The postseason college basketball landscape is becoming more competitive for teams that don't qualify for March Madness," said Dan Gavitt, NIT board chair and NCAA senior vice president of basketball. "The change to the selection process for the 2024 NIT is a necessary effort to evolve this historic tournament in a dynamic event marketplace."

In addition to the NIT's change in selections format, the NIT board and NCAA Men's Basketball Rules Committee have agreed to use experimental rules during the 2024 NIT. In each NIT game, the free-throw lane will be widened from 12 feet to 16 feet, consistent with the width used by the NBA and the International Basketball Federation, known as FIBA.

NIT games also will continue to use the 2023 NIT modified timeout format for the second half of games, which eliminates the second-half floating media timeout by making it one of five media breaks. Second-half media timeouts will occur on the first stoppage of play after the 17-, 14-, eight- and four-minute marks.

The 2024 championship will be the 86th NIT. Selections, pairings and the bracket will be announced March 17, with games beginning Tuesday, March 19. The NIT semifinals and championship will be played April 2 and 4 at historic Hinkle Fieldhouse on the Butler campus in Indianapolis. All NIT games can be found exclusively on ESPN platforms.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 7:35 am to
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Hannibal lead the team with 4 turnovers. Box score only has 2 listed for Reed and 1 for baker. Felt like more than that



Not winning fights for a rebound or missing shots in the paint and not getting a rebound don't show up as turnovers.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
77921 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 7:54 am to
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Mens BB is hard to watch.


Yep. McSuck has us poised for a strong NIT though. Whole lotta meh.
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 8:32 am to
What a terrible loss. Yikes
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 8:41 am to
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If that remains fairly static, I would expect everyone with a NET under 50 would get in the NCAA tournament barring virtually every auto qualifier tournament being won by a team that would not get a bid. Of course, nothing is ever guaranteed. But if all those guys get in as I expect, Ole Miss & LSU would then get NIT hosting bids.


I don't think A&M gets in. They are not even on anyone's list of the "last 8" teams OUT of the tournament. And LSU probably doesn't have enough games to overcome Ole Miss in the NET ratings...unless OM bombs the next two games and LSU wins a few in the SECT.

That leaves LSU's only path to the NIT as an at-large team. Before yesterday's game they were noted by "bracketologists" as one of the last teams in. That probably changes a bit now. But I thought even before yesterday's game LSU needed two more wins. Assuming they beat Missouri, that second win will have to come in the SEC Tournament. LSU is by NO MEANS a "lock" for the NIT.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70791 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 8:55 am to
Going into last night I was thinking it’s very hard to win at Bud Walton and Arkansas is a talented team so even though it was crucial for us I wouldn’t hold against coach if we didn’t get it done. Then the game happened and I was reminded of just how bad a team we are on defense. This is lesser Johnny Jones level defense. We do nothing correctly, we hedge facing the opposite direction we should, our angles are impossibly bad, we don’t even get into proper defensive stances, we don’t know how to rotate, we don’t even communicate on D. We just looks to me like a mid major coached team with SEC level talent out there.
Posted by mcspufftiger7
Member since Oct 2020
3483 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:16 am to
LOL. It's SEC basketball on the road. It's why a Bama team can get blown out by FL. Yes they were sloppy last night yet were always coming back and cut it to 4 a couple of times. Refs didn't help last night either though I'm not blaming them for the loss. Hannibal looks worn out. He has been putting in warrior minutes last few weeks and it shows. Reed played like he did at the beginning of the season. And to be honest they all looked a step slower than ARK. But acting like it's the end of the world losing at ARK to a team that has lots of SEC talent and one of the hottest players in the country in Battle, just barely lost to KY and was picked to be in the Tournament and just got one of their great big men back after being out a month is so typical of this group. Yes we had a chance to make a run and yes I'm disappointed in the effort. Just like I used to be disappointed in the effort Wade's teams gave when they went to Vandy, 0-3. Just like I was disappointed in the effort of the baseball team at SLU last night. It happens. Let's finish with a win at home over Mizzou and get ready for a win or 2 in the SECT. Then let the chips fall where they may.
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