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Louisiana Politics is the root of it all
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:31 pm
This goes beyond football. This is about the mindset of the state of Louisiana as a whole. As far as the Orgeron buyout at the end of this season, I hate to say it; but he will most likely be back next year. And here's why.....
Les Miles was denied his firing in November of 2015 because of a "sympathy" decision by the boosters and Alleva. A decision that was based purely on emotion. Then, without a professionally-done coaching search, they hire Orgeron after only showing interest in only two other candidates (most schools interview at least 5 or so coaches) without any real interviews because "he is one of us." And then, Alleva pulls a stunt with that awful contract.
So now, the school has to pay both Miles AND Orgeron if he were to get canned....AND.....a new coach. The fact of the matter is that it will be the 2015 Miles saga all over again. F King Alexander and state will step in and say "it looks bad," and everyone will put their heads down and take no action. This is why Louisiana politics is a disaster to begin with. Remember, the LSU Board approves these hires. They themselves are hired by the Governor and the state.
The state is broke. Taxes are being raised daily on us citizens to play catch-up financially. And the cuts to higher ed are happening by the second, especially at LSU. So this is the consequences of running a poor state. The fact that even private money might not allow a coach to be bought out due to the "perception" of money being spent outside of education is an example of why we are laughed at nationally.
"But that's the way we do things around here." Amirite?
Les Miles was denied his firing in November of 2015 because of a "sympathy" decision by the boosters and Alleva. A decision that was based purely on emotion. Then, without a professionally-done coaching search, they hire Orgeron after only showing interest in only two other candidates (most schools interview at least 5 or so coaches) without any real interviews because "he is one of us." And then, Alleva pulls a stunt with that awful contract.
So now, the school has to pay both Miles AND Orgeron if he were to get canned....AND.....a new coach. The fact of the matter is that it will be the 2015 Miles saga all over again. F King Alexander and state will step in and say "it looks bad," and everyone will put their heads down and take no action. This is why Louisiana politics is a disaster to begin with. Remember, the LSU Board approves these hires. They themselves are hired by the Governor and the state.
The state is broke. Taxes are being raised daily on us citizens to play catch-up financially. And the cuts to higher ed are happening by the second, especially at LSU. So this is the consequences of running a poor state. The fact that even private money might not allow a coach to be bought out due to the "perception" of money being spent outside of education is an example of why we are laughed at nationally.
"But that's the way we do things around here." Amirite?
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 3:16 pm
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:33 pm to Cajunese
tldr
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:34 pm to Cajunese
Actually, Les survived Nov 2015 because of F'King A. That was the political play that got us started down that road. He needs to go today, Alleva tomorrow, and Ogre on Saturday evening about 6pm....
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:37 pm to Cajunese
Politics was responsible for the Miles decision.
Sentimentality was responsible for the Orgeron decision.
I hate to say it but the best thing that can happen is we have a losing season this year and the next, and bottom out, so people can be disabused of the notion that either of those two factors should influence a coaching decision.
Sentimentality was responsible for the Orgeron decision.
I hate to say it but the best thing that can happen is we have a losing season this year and the next, and bottom out, so people can be disabused of the notion that either of those two factors should influence a coaching decision.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:37 pm to clamdip
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Actually, Les survived Nov 2015 because of F'King A. That was the political play that got us started down that road. He needs to go today, Alleva tomorrow, and Ogre on Saturday evening about 6pm...
Yeah, you're right but it won't happen due to what I stated above. The state is more worried about perception than spending the money. Their lack of leadership is what got LSU in this bind to begin with.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:40 pm to Cajunese
Yep LA politics is also responsible for the 2003 and 2007 NCs.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:41 pm to Cajunese
Have an upvote, because you have gotten closer to the truth than anyone else.....in hindsight, they really should have waited until the end of last season to can Miles.
Also there were feelers put out to other coaches to gauge their interest, Only Herman bit, other more established coaches politely said no , one said to Alleva, that how can I take anything you say with confidence after what you did to Les Miles?"
Also there were feelers put out to other coaches to gauge their interest, Only Herman bit, other more established coaches politely said no , one said to Alleva, that how can I take anything you say with confidence after what you did to Les Miles?"
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:44 pm to KiwiHead
The worst part of it is that TAF has nothing to do with State or tax dollars. TAF has enough money to fire and hire as they wish but polictions and university officials are using it as a pawn in their political agenda
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:46 pm to clamdip
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Actually, Les survived Nov 2015 because of F'King A. That was the political play that got us started down that road. He needs to go today, Alleva tomorrow, and Ogre on Saturday evening about 6pm....
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:46 pm to clamdip
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ctually, Les survived Nov 2015 because of F'King A.
Fking A was a messenger.
Alleva should have never been hired
Orgeron would never have been hired had Alleva just waited until the end of last season instead of firing Miles after the Auburn game. Herman was the only other player , Herman knew this as did Orgeron. That is why Herman kept upping the ante in negotiations.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:52 pm to glorymanutdtiger
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The worst part of it is that TAF has nothing to do with State or tax dollars. TAF has enough money to fire and hire as they wish but polictions and university officials are using it as a pawn in their political agenda
This is correct. There are a lot of things that went down all around the same time back in 2015 that led to all of this.....FKing gets unfairly tarred in all of this for being the messenger boy and Orgeron gets himself screwed for taking on a job that was far beyond his pay grade. Alleva was the Fup and Miles is laughing all the way to the bank....and there is a booster in Shreveport that ponied up waaaaay too much money for this whole shite show.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:52 pm to Geaux2LSU
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Yep LA politics is also responsible for the 2003 and 2007 NCs.
If there's one thing I will always give Saban credit for, it's the fact that he knows how to tell the beuracracy to p-ss off. Even at Alabama, they leave the man alone and let him coach.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:55 pm to Cajunese
I'm just going to move out of Louisiana. frick it. Have fun in this mess, baws
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:55 pm to Cajunese
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If there's one thing I will always give Saban for, it's the fact that he knows how to tell the beuracracy to p-ss off. Even at Alabama, they leave the man alone and let him coach.
Yep.....but let him go 3-4 years without a championship and the powers that be in Alabama will assert themselves
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:06 pm to KiwiHead
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Yep.....but let him go 3-4 years without a championship and the powers that be in Alabama will assert themselves
It will depend on how far his teams get with the playoffs
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:06 pm to Cajunese
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The fact that even private money might not allow a coach to be bought out due to the "perception" of money being spent outside of education is an example of why we are laughed at nationally.
If the academic side of LSU were properly funded... no one would care if TAF spent 50 million a year on a football coach.
I would place 80% of the blame on the state. IF we didn't look at higher education as a jobs program in some parts of the state (jobs for university employees I mean) we could close a half dozen colleges and have enough money to fund the ones that remain.
But 20% of the blame is on us. Not only because we elect these tards to the legislature, but our academic endowment sucks considering we act like we are a major university. It is 120th.
Maybe some of our big boosters need to give less to the TAF toadies and more to the academics.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:15 pm to LSUFanHouston
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20% of the blame is on us. Not only because we elect these tards to the legislature, but our academic endowment sucks considering we act like we are a major university. It is 120th.
For a state with a population of 4 million, LSU became to big for itself. That's why they're suffering the most with budget cuts and why you're seeing a decrease in faculty there.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:20 pm to schwartzy
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I'm just going to move out of Louisiana. frick it. Have fun in this mess, baws
A few weeks ago, I went to College Station to watch the Cajuns take on A&M. On the way there, I passed by Lake Conroe and saw the resort and tourist attractions around the area. It was really cool. But it got me thinking. What if we did something like that somewhere like False River or Toledo Bend? We would bring in loads of revenue. But instead, we settle for houses on pilings and camps. Because......that's how we do things around here.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:22 pm to Cajunese
Not so sure about this...they won't allow the LSU money maker to die....state knows it...board knows it...my unborn child know it! Do you realize how much money they bank on football? We can't afford to fire him so we will let 50 million in football revenue fall off a cliff. How's the EVA on that add up? Everyone affiliated with LSU knows. Not saying they won't give the coach a fair shake but let Tiger Stadium start to empty and see.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:26 pm to Tigers4life
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Not saying they won't give the coach a fair shake but let Tiger Stadium start to empty and see.
The stadium can only have 30,000 fans show up but the tickets are already purchased. Now next season, if the ticket sales and suite purchases drop, then we might get somewhere.
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