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Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:12 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
And how many people attend these churches which have probably been there for a long time? And how do these church goers stack up, percentage-wise, to the rest of the population in that area?
You're trying to be a little too literal with the OP's comment. That's like telling someone who's been to war and described it as hell on earth, that they don't know what they're talking about, because they've never been to hell. Not everything is meant to be taken literally.
Silicon Valley is not completely void of believers. But it's an oppressive environment to profess your faith OUTSIDE of those churches you speak of. You can be walking around, not being bothered by anyone, but let it be known what your stance is on social and political issues, as a Christian, and the mobs come after you.
You're trying to be a little too literal with the OP's comment. That's like telling someone who's been to war and described it as hell on earth, that they don't know what they're talking about, because they've never been to hell. Not everything is meant to be taken literally.
Silicon Valley is not completely void of believers. But it's an oppressive environment to profess your faith OUTSIDE of those churches you speak of. You can be walking around, not being bothered by anyone, but let it be known what your stance is on social and political issues, as a Christian, and the mobs come after you.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:43 pm to Metaloctopus
No. They don’t. Transcripts and quotes are available...most athletes, of faith and not, are more humble than you credit them for.
Stop generalizing those that don’t believe as being self-centered.
Stop generalizing those that don’t believe as being self-centered.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:53 pm to Metaloctopus
For instance:
PRe-game with Aranda and White
Both Aranda and White are repeatedly asked questions that they could have used to talk themselves up. Both (or neither) may be religious, but neither credit God. However, in almost every case, they humbly deflect praise and credit others for their success. This is FAR more common than the imagined me-first attitude you ascribe to non-believers.
Since not all religious athletes publicly praise God and not all atheists identify themselves as such, there is no way of making blanket statements about either group.
PRe-game with Aranda and White
Both Aranda and White are repeatedly asked questions that they could have used to talk themselves up. Both (or neither) may be religious, but neither credit God. However, in almost every case, they humbly deflect praise and credit others for their success. This is FAR more common than the imagined me-first attitude you ascribe to non-believers.
Since not all religious athletes publicly praise God and not all atheists identify themselves as such, there is no way of making blanket statements about either group.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 1/9/19 at 6:05 am to BornAndRaised_LA
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Stop generalizing those that don’t believe as being self-centered.
I'm not generalizing anything. If a person does not believe in God, then that person has made themselves the master of their own universe. By definition, they are self-centered.
Being self centered doesn't automatically mean that you don't care about anyone, or that you are incapable
of complimenting others. It simply means that you believe you answer to no one, and that you think you alone are responsible for your successes. It also usually means that you think you're smarter than everyone else. And for some people, it can absolutely mean that they are incapable of caring about anyone but themselves, in any capacity.
There are practically no athletes who are on record as being atheist. So I'm not sure where you would pretend to find these "transcripts". Furthermore, I didn't single out athletes in my statements about non-believers. And those who show humility, I can just about guarantee you they are grounded in faith, even if they aren't thanking God. It's just a shame when some people let themselves feel embarrassed or afraid to thank God publicly.
I might add that there are those who say they are believers, but who appear to be very selfish. Believing in God, and practicing your faith don't always go hand in hand, unfortunately. Some people let attention go to their heads. So whether you're a non-believer, or a believer who has strayed from God, either way when you fail to acknowledge that God is the one who blesses you with your talents and opportunities, you naturally think it's about you.
You may give credit to other people in a team setting, but from an individual standpoint people tend to believe that they are special and above others. That's not just athletes. I'm talking about all people.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 11:40 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 5:26 pm to Metaloctopus
First, the lack of belief in God does not make someone self-centered, which means they are independent of outside force or influence or concerned solely with their own desires, needs, or interests. People are influenced by any number of external factors and when discussing their actions these are largely societal and cultural influences...religion is simply one input. Similarly, a non-believer may be concerned far more with the needs of others than their own needs...religion does not have a monopoly on altruism.
Non-believers answer to a host of people. They answer to family, cultural connections, societal standards for ethical behavior and laws. They are not incapable of recognizing the contributions of others on their successes and religion has absolutely nothing to do with a belief that one’s intelligence is greater than anyone else’s. This entire portion of your argument is another generalization based solely upon your personal view of non-believers and has nothing to do with religion.
Your examples...and the entire thread...is about athletes giving credit and your flawed conflation of religion, ethics, humility and morality. I used athlete examples because that’s what we are discussing.
The bottom line is that you clearly draw your standards for ethics and morality from your belief in God. That’s awesome. Where you are absolutely incorrect (and pretty insulting) is that you believe faith is the only way to be humble, ethical and altruistic. All of these concepts predate Christianity and are not religiously derived in any sense. Religion adopts them as part of its practice.
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It simply means that you believe you answer to no one, and that you think you alone are responsible for your successes. It also usually means that you think you're smarter than everyone else.
Non-believers answer to a host of people. They answer to family, cultural connections, societal standards for ethical behavior and laws. They are not incapable of recognizing the contributions of others on their successes and religion has absolutely nothing to do with a belief that one’s intelligence is greater than anyone else’s. This entire portion of your argument is another generalization based solely upon your personal view of non-believers and has nothing to do with religion.
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But then when the reporter ask's them a question about themselves, they tend to go on about "chip on my shoulder" "first one at practice, last one to leave", and on and on.
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I didn't single out athletes in my statements about non-believers.
Your examples...and the entire thread...is about athletes giving credit and your flawed conflation of religion, ethics, humility and morality. I used athlete examples because that’s what we are discussing.
The bottom line is that you clearly draw your standards for ethics and morality from your belief in God. That’s awesome. Where you are absolutely incorrect (and pretty insulting) is that you believe faith is the only way to be humble, ethical and altruistic. All of these concepts predate Christianity and are not religiously derived in any sense. Religion adopts them as part of its practice.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 5:47 pm
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