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re: Let's be honest about our basketball roster

Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:22 pm to
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:22 pm to
Agree honestly, here's my breakdown:

Mays, Williams, Days and Watford are all high level starters and some of the better players in the conference, none are necessarily SEC player of the year worthy, but you could make an argument for each of Mays, Days and Williams especially for All-SEC teams (they select 16 players) and Watford for Freshman All-SEC team (EASILY here, could have argument for SEC freshman of the year honestly if it wasnt for Anthony Edwards).

Then you have Smart and Manning on that next tier IMO, Smart a solid SEC starter and Manning one of the better bench players in the conference for sure. Good players, but not great players. They can score, Manning can defend.

Then you have Taylor on the next tier by himself, role player who can give you a lot of minutes but not necessarily anything more than a body who can play some D and provide a little offense.

Then there's Hyatt on next tier by himself, another role player but one not nearly up to Taylor's level. Cant shoot 3 and that's suposed to be his thing, but at 6'5 225 can be a little versatile.

Then there's the Bishop, Graves, Cooper tier of guys who really contribute next to nothing and arent even very serviceable players but play emergency minutes really.

So it s solid roster, but it's certainly not deep, especially when you take Manning out the equation, and that's really our biggest weakness. The drop off from the Manning/Smart tier to Taylor/Hyatt tiers is pretty significant and then you drop down the next tier of non-contributors basically. 4 really good players, 2 pretty good players, 1 decent role player, 1 meh role player and then bunch of nothing.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
18710 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:37 pm to
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especially if Manning comes back from injury


I think that changes the narrative of several of the points you make.

quote:

Few people expected LSU to be anywhere close to this in the preseason.


I expected this to be a tournament team, about 4th in the SEC. Not sure what others expected.
Posted by LordoftheManor
Member since Jul 2006
8371 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:40 pm to
Agree with this. I think wade has done a terrific job with this group.
Posted by GeismarGeauxer
Geismar
Member since Dec 2009
5253 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:42 pm to
Think you are shortchanging Smart.
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
10890 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:46 pm to
Agree with your assessment Cyborg.

I am a Wade guy all the way. So glad he survived last year's BS.

Watford has been so important to this team. Without him this year would look a lot different.

It's such a mixed bag of good and bad.

Really good rebounding and free throw shooting. Maybe best ever team FT %.

I would love to see an LSU roster with some better outside shooting though. 31% as a team is just not good enough imo. I would like to see some better on the ball defense too. We have been poor under Wade here. Last year KBW just erased a lot of blow-by's.

All in all...I'm pleased with what this team has accomplished given it's limitations, and I am holding my breath Manning comes back and can finish the year healthy.

I'm not conceding an SEC title (or share of it), but I am concerned that this team will fade down the stretch due to fatigue.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 12:49 pm
Posted by beantown
Nashville
Member since Sep 2015
3429 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:51 pm to
Exactly. We are not a basketball school; I'm just happy that we're having a good time. That's all I ever wanted from this team when Wade got hired - fun to watch basketball. Can Wade be a championship caliber coach? Maybe. But he'll need a ton of resources from the school before we ever get on that path. I'm just happy to enjoy the ride.
Posted by Buga
Member since Dec 2013
1630 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 1:00 pm to
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There are 5 very good players on this team, 3 good players


If this is how you’re evaluating this team, then that’s definitely a championship roster.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 1:01 pm
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 1:08 pm to
The issue with this basketball team is similar to the issue of Miles’ football teams.

There are glaring deficiencies on defense (offense in Miles’ case) that some people recognize.

There two groups of people. Those who look at the W-L column and those who look at current play and extrapolate that forward throughout the season when better opponents arrive. These two groups constantly go at it on this board

That being said, this is where the comparisons to Miles end. Wade is a great coach who gets a lot out of his players, and the product that he puts on the court is actually entertaining. I am 100% confident that when Wade overcomes the alleva setback he will get the defense fixed.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35501 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 1:11 pm to
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If this is how you’re evaluating this team, then that’s definitely a championship roster.


Individually they are good, but there are some glaring holes in the lineup. Good talent, but not distributed well.
Posted by LSUBadger
Member since Jan 2014
2238 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 1:20 pm to
Not having a rim protector is a major issue this year. KBW and Naz cleaned up a lot of shaky defense last year. It also allows you to run the press as there is a defender back there when things break down
Posted by GRIZZ
Morgan City
Member since Nov 2009
6244 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 1:22 pm to
In a strong SEC, it’s not championship caliber. This isn’t a strong SEC. It’s most definitely championship caliber, but if we continue to play like we have the past 3 games, we are a 3-4 seed SEC tourney team and a 6-9 seed NCAA tourney team.
Posted by ccox11
Member since Sep 2014
1285 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 1:28 pm to
The worst thing about the roster is that there is no point guard or center.

Skyler Mays is a great wing who any college team would love to have but he's slow and he can't handle the ball very well.

Trendon Watford is a great 4 who can stretch the floor a bit but he's being asked to handle the ball way too much on the perimeter when he too is slow and doesn't have the greatest ball handling.

Darius Days is a nice stretch 4 who can do a little bit of everything.

Javonte Smart is a very good 1-on-1 player but he doesn't fit well into a team offense concept. He's not really a passer or a shooter.

Emmitt Williams is an undersized, high motor, great athlete who can't play anything but the 4 and has very little basketball skill so he doesn't give you hardly anything offensively unless it's a dunk or a put back.

Marlon Taylor is a freak athlete with very little basketball skill. Tremont helped him out a lot by setting him up for easy dunks. He's lost with no distributor like that on this team.

This team misses Tremont Waters and Kavell Bigby-Williams immensely. They have no replacement for either. Almost all of their offensive woes are due to having no point guard and almost all of their defensive woes are due to having no rim protector.


Posted by Philippines4LSU
Member since May 2018
8789 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 1:33 pm to
3 of 5 starters were 5-star recruits, iirc (Javonte, Emmitt and Watford). Mays and Days have more than proven themselves capable and above-average SEC starters.

The issue with the roster is depth. Period.

Hopefully that changes next year.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35501 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 1:46 pm to
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3 of 5 starters were 5-star recruits, iirc (Javonte, Emmitt and Watford).


Javonte was a 4-star across the board, but none of that matters at this point. Once they get to campus, the stars and recruiting rankings are history.

But you have missed the point. There are holes in the roster at certain positions and certain roles are not being filled. That doesn't mean the current players are not good.

Really, the recruit that we missed on was Khadim Sy at Ole Miss. 6-10 center who is averaging 9.5/5.4 and has 18 blocks.

A big man in the middle would solve a lot of our problems.
Posted by GeorgeWest
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2013
14988 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 1:53 pm to
Sy made a huge mistake choosing Ole Miss over LSU.

WW is showing why he is a topnotch HC in cbb. This depleted roster should not be contending for an SEC title even in a down year. Yet we are.

Watching us attack the basket and beat teams at the foul line is a thing of beauty. We are focusing on what we do best.

We will never play topnotch D for 40 minutes. That takes consistent, focused effort and 8 players who can do it.

Let's win in Tuscaloosa and advance to 10-2.
Posted by TigerLaw40
Member since Aug 2017
2790 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 2:02 pm to
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Sy made a huge mistake choosing Ole Miss over LSU.

Definitely. I thought about that during our last game against them and was happy we were sticking it to them and getting the season sweep just for the simple fact of him being an LSU lean for a while and then ended up picking Ole Miss.
Posted by facher08
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
6085 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 2:05 pm to
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Emmitt Williams is an undersized, high motor, great athlete who can't play anything but the 4 and has very little basketball skill so he doesn't give you hardly anything offensively unless it's a dunk or a put back.


Last year this was true, but not this year. He has developed a good bank shot that he often times makes over defenders that are a lot taller than he is.
Posted by TigerLaw40
Member since Aug 2017
2790 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 2:11 pm to
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ProjectP2294

Man, you and the Philly guy had me confused there for a minute as both of your user names and image look nearly identical. I was like, "why are you responding to your own post and contradicting yourself?"

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With tournament games having longer commercials and such, our lack of depth wouldn't be as big a factor. If we get favorable matchups, I could see us getting to the elite 8. Like you, I could also see us bounced in round 1.

But I agree with this. I'm not prepared right now to definitely say that the Sweet 16 is this team's absolute ceiling. It all depends on the luck of the draw and who your match-ups are against. And I just don't see a definite set of 16 teams that are all clearly better than LSU right now. I mean, Auburn is currently in the top 16 of the NET, and we just saw on Saturday that LSU was every bit as good, and likely even better of a team; and that was playing on Auburn's home court.
Posted by Jamey21
Jamestown , Tennessee
Member since Jul 2019
1007 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 2:22 pm to
Guys , Were are only missing one thing! A Pure shooter from 3 point range who can also play defense.
We have a team that will go 0-12 from 3 point range, then go in spurts and hit a few.

We took 10 3 point shots in the first half, 5 of them real early. If we make just 4 to 5 of them, the rest of game becomes easier.

ITs ridiculous that Will Wade cannot find " one guy in the country who can come here and be a consistent 3 point shooter.

Last year was the same problem.

We get that guy and all the other stuff fixes itself.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
6162 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 2:30 pm to
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That’s a low bar.


Better than the Jones era, Johnson era, and every season of the Brady except maybe 2
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