re: Les really let the program slide

O could only dream of a college hiring him as an HC again after Ole Miss, so this is a very literally dream job.

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Getting tired of the "Les Miles did this" and "Ed O's doing that" threads. The recruiting was geared towards schemes. Chavis famously wanted smaller, faster defenders that swarmed to the ball. The DE's were basically OLBs. We wouldn't have played a lot of big mashers, so they weren't priority recruits. It wasn't that way before him, and since Aranda came, we've been getting bigger men.

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This is one of the better posts here. People tend to forget we changed schemes and needed diff players for the front. That wasnt going to be fixed in one cycle.

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Those who just try and hang on for dear life ain’t gonna make it. And what’s crazy is that these guys (O and staff) have literally turned the roster around in ONE calendar year.

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I like the dline haul from this past class, but the rest of it was pretty meh. Majority of guys that will be starting and playing next season were recruited when Miles was the head coach.

yeah we were finishing second on some high rated guys. Ed was brought in to fix that.

And there is the whole no coach in the history of the program had 3 top 5 classes in a row. It was even Les' best stretch of recruiting. But he was becoming lazy?

Its just such a dumb arse argument that almost everything points to it being the complete opposite.

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Also how would people feel about last years class if Rosenthal moves to OT? Cotton, Nelson and Livingston.

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what about the oline? Lewis may be for real but you dont have him for long. Then its traore, wire and smith.

I dont see how anyone can look at that and say, wow! ed has completing changed this program around.

Hines is a guard or center now and everyone seems to think Rosenthal is a DL.

So that would be a dry good OLine class.

I guess you people have difficulty looking at things dispassionately. The point is that Leslie Miles, former head coach of the LSU football team, underachieved given the talent that he had to work with. He lost multiple games because of monumentally stupid in game decisions. He never developed a QB, never adapted to what was happening even when it was clear that what he was doing was not going to work.

A better coach would have won another title or two. That said, in the latter part of his time at LSU he appeared to just let things go for reasons that are as enigmatic as the fact that he never pulled Jefferson from that 21-0 A$$ whipping in the NCG.

But, if you people think he was the bee's knees of CFB coaching, so be it. LSU should have hired a better coach then and a better one to replace him. Anyone see a pattern here? LSU has plenty of talent, but poor coaching in comparison to that talent. That's the point. Sorry if your feeling are hurt.

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have literally turned the roster around in ONE calendar year.

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You know this to be fact? You know how this year is going to play out already? Do tell...

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Which is also why for the life of me we didn’t go after an up and coming offensively minded coach

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LSU did. then the AD blinked in a game of chicken with Texas.

if LSU makes an offer to Herman and Texas matches or raises, so be it, you tried. But no, Alleva decided he needed to call Orgeron at 5:30 am after being played like a fiddle by Herman's agent. and so whether you love O or hate him, if you can't admit that Alleva poorly handled the situation then, I really do question your fandom.

So hiring someone who was not a good coach was not a mistake? Mmmkay....