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Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:29 pm to Scoob
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Look at Miami- you could say Schnellenburger built that program. He won the first title with Kosar. Jimmy Johnson made them into the U; and nobody says he won with Schnellenburger's talent
This is what I was trying to distinguish earlier in the thread -- I'm not necessarily ascribing Miles’ success to Saban’s recruits by pointing out that Saban built the program.
All I am saying is Saban built the program. We can speculate all day whether Miles' tenure at LSU looks equally successful without Saban preceding him, but that's pointless speculation because it isn’t what happened.
Miles was a great face of the program and represented LSU well. His brand was "players' coach" & he recruited well on his own. He won a NCG and took us to a second. I don't have any disdain for Miles sans the stubbornness to adapt the offense in the latter half of his tenure (the same reason he was never going to beat Bama after '11... by extension the same reason he never won his division after '11... and by extension the only reason he isn't still LSU's HC).
He's a great CFB personality, and I'm glad to see him coaching again. That being said, the turnaround from 2000-2003 is as significant to the history of LSU football as it was unexpected and impressive in the context that it happened. Without that run, it’s hard to imagine the same degree of subsequent success.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:52 pm to DeathByTossDive225
Some people have to keep convincing themselves that Miles was a good coach. All this guy did was slowly destroy a program Saban and Emmert built.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:59 pm to BananaHammock
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Saban >>>>> Miles
who said otherwise idiot?
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:09 pm to The Shed
Because he got fired from his job! He also had extreme difficulty getting another job because of his Coaching stubbornness and reputation !
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:22 pm to SaintLSU
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Some people have to keep convincing themselves that Miles was a good coach
he went to an OSU program with 1 .500 or better season the previous decade and had them winning 7,8,9 games.
he then had the most accomplished tenure ever at a top 15 alltime program.
there is no facts that point to miles not being a good coach. its dumbass football ignorant posters that try to convince themselves that all the facts and accomplishments dont matter.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:24 pm to kew48
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Because he got fired from his job! He also had extreme difficulty getting another job because of his Coaching stubbornness and reputation !
he had trouble findinga job because he was 65 years old and the average age of a p5 coach is 44.
please show me these 65 year old coaches getting p5 jobs
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:29 pm to Penrod
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Taking over a championship program that is in better shape than any other program in the country,
miles took over a program with 1 top 5 finish since 1987
ETA.... awwwww does someone not like facts that shite on his opinions?
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 12:11 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:55 am to BananaHammock
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Rickdaddy4188
Saban >>>>> Miles and not a soul on this planet besides you would debate that.
Rickdaddy = Smacker!
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:58 am to Rickdaddy4188
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please show me these 65 year old coaches getting p5 jobs
Mack Brown?
You think Saban would be out of a job long?
Posted on 9/19/19 at 6:05 am to JohnnyU
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You think Saban would be out of a job long?
the fact that you have to use the greatest cfb ever as one of your only coaches proves my point.
mack brown had already been a coach at NC.
65+ year old coaches dont get hired at p5 jobs. they are the outliers.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 6:13 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 6:08 am to Rickdaddy4188
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miles took over a program with 1 top 5 finish since 1987
Mikes took over a program that had won two SEC titles in the previous 4 years and a National title within the the previous 2 years. He took over a program that had become a national brand and was stockpiled with future NFL players and who would serve as the nucleus for his immediate success. He inherited a program who had, at the time, the finest student athlete academic center and football ops building in the country, courtesy of his visionary and culture changing predecessor.
Don’t let the facts get in the way of your cherry picked narrative.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 6:11 am to JohnnyU
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Mikes took over a program that had won two SEC titles in the previous 4 years and a National title within the the previous 2 years
at least 3 losses every year but once since 96.
the program was so set that the greatest cfb in history lost 3 games the year before
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Don’t let the facts get in the way of your cherry picked narrativ
says the dumbass using facilities as proof of a program's football prowess
I love how top 5 finishes is considered cherry picking when discussing the type of program left as if final rankings and win loss numbers each year arent direct reflections of a program's football prowess.
also,its amazing watching you shite on a former lsu coach whose resume shits on the resume of your deity.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 6:20 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 6:12 am to Tigris Christi
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Rickdaddy = Smacker!
at no point did I ever claim miles was better than saban.
but hey by all means be a football ignorant poster like bananabitch
Posted on 9/19/19 at 6:30 am to The Shed
57 idiots reporting for duty . Pitiful
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:32 am to Rickdaddy4188
You think Saban- Meyer ,etc,,etc would have trouble getting a job at 65?
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:12 am to kew48
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You think Saban- Meyer ,etc,,etc would have trouble getting a job at 65?
the fact that you have to use the 2 most accomplished cfb coaches proves my point. the retread nature of cfb almost guarantees Miles wouldve been offered a better positioning he wasnt 20 years older than the average p5 coach.
since age isnt the issue you should have a long list of 65 year old coaches getting p5 jobs.
miles was a flawed coach but there isnt a single coach that isnt flawed. the greatest cfb coach ever ( saban) with by far the most talented rosters( best recruiting classes and most NFL players drafted since his hire at Bama) loses to a less talented team every year. so a lesser coach like miles losing 2 or 3 isnt some massive underachievement.
there are no facts that point to miles not being a good coach. all the facts and accomplishments point to him being a good coach.
he shouldve been fired after 2015 but if lsu fans were given the option to sign up for the next 11 years' win loss numbers and titles to look just like Miles' 11 years , we would be stupid to not sign up for it.
that's just my opinion anyway. you're entitled to your opinions well.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 8:14 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:31 am to Rickdaddy4188
No signs? How about clock management? Stubbornness to change? Offense/Coaches- Ability to effectively speak a coherent sentence? Attract high performing QB,s ? a bunch to list . My God I,m beginning to think you are Smaccker! He did have some good qualities but I,m glad and many more than not are glad he,s gone. Good luck Coach Miles but not at LSU! BTW google P5 coaches over 65, pretty good list ! Only one that may have a problem with another job is Snyder and he approaching 75! I’m done with you ! No hall of fame for Miles ahead of Sabin !
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:35 am to Todd O'Connor
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Saban took over a 3-8 team 50 years removed from a title
He also took over a team that was ranked in the top 8 14 months before he was hired
Saban did great things for LSU and should be in the La HOF, though I think they could have waited until he retired from his current job. Why so many LSU fans want to run down Les Miles who is the most accomplished LSU coach ever is sad to me.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:55 am to kew48
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No signs? How about clock management? Stubbornness to change? Offense/Coaches- Ability to effectively speak a coherent sentence? Attract high performing QB,s ? a bunch to list
name a coach that isnt one of the best in cfb that doesnt have just as many flaws.
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My God I,m beginning to think you are Smaccker
because I use actual accomplishments instead of opinions?
it's a fact that he had the most accomplished tenure ever at a top 15 alltime program.
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BTW google P5 coaches over 65, pretty good list
except it's not. we arent talking about already employed 65 year old coaches. we are talking about unemployed 65 year old coaches getting hired.
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Only one that may have a problem with another job is Snyder
you mea the greatest coach in that program's history?
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I’m done with you !
cool. just another poster that thinks his opinion outweighs actual facts and accomplishments.
your opinion- miles sucked
facts- miles took a program with (1) .500 or better season in 10 years and had them winning 7,8,9 games and then has the most accomplished tenure ever at a top 15 alltime program during the most dominant era of sec football ever
but yeah I have to be related to miles to actually use facts in posting.
article from 2017 showing all of 4 coaches older than 65 in fbs football. but hey dont let facts get in the way of you shitting on the most accomplished LSU coach ever
article about clock mismanagement in the nfl and some of the best coaches in the nfl have issues with the clock. stop acting like clock mismanagement was just an issue under miles. all coaches are flawed.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 9:07 am
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