re: Les Miles should be in the College football HOF

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LSU's performance in the Superdome rematch was an utter, complete humiliation. Miles personally lost that game with his team's lack of preparation, especially on offense.

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People overstate this.

Simple, cold, objective truth:
Alabama's defense completely stonewalled LSU's offense in the first game. Unable to move at all, and Jarrett Lee was rattled and seeing ghosts, and was throwing the ball up for grabs. Should have had a couple interceptions. LSU's defense held, but bent. Bama got into FG position multiple times, but missed a bunch.
That game was very slightly in Bama's favor, we could do nothing, they could move 30-40 yds before we'd stop them. And it was happening consistently.
Then Les swapped the QB out, put in JJ. That was the one thing Bama had not prepped for, they weren't ready for a running QB, and JJ wasn't terrified like Lee was. That single change was the difference, JJ started moving the ball some, and very late in the game we finally began to wear their defense down.

The rematch in the Superdome- the same thing happened. We could not move at all, they could move 30-40 yds at times and get into FG position. This time, in the Dome, he hit the FGs. And this time, Bama was ready for JJ, and Miles didn't have an ace in his back pocket like before. We could have played Lee, people say- Bama completely destroyed him the first time. They already knew how to derail him, and he would throw pick 6's (he should have the first game), which is the one thing you can't afford in a defensive struggle.
We still held them, and hung around. People forget that as bad as it was, it was all field goals until late- 15-0. That's 2 scores. One big play, and it becomes a 1 score game and the Dome goes insane... and we knew from the first game, eventually we could wear them down if we could hang around long enough.

We ALMOST did. Bama fans talk a lot of shite now, but when it was 'total domination' on their part, and they look at the scoreboard and it's only 12-0, they were as nervous as we were frustrated. That's exactly the type of game where the other team comes back to win, because you stomp them all over the place, but don't put the numbers up. That's what happened in the A&M game last year- we completely dominated them, but didn't put up the points. And at some point the other team can come to life (like A&M did), and suddenly it's a whole different game.

Baseball analogy- why didn't Miles put Lee in? Ok, why won't Jay start Cowan again? He won't, because he saw that guy crack under pressure.

Oh and just to add- Mettenberger wasn't ready to play in that game. You can't put him in. People seem to forget the next year, when he first started, he'd stand in the pocket oblivious to the pass rush. I remember him getting blown up by North Texas; the outside rusher went extremely wide, and took about a 5 second run at him. Mett never felt it, never heard the crowd screaming "throw the damn ball", he just stood there looking, and eventually got smashed.
Bama would have killed him.

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I think Meyer said it best in swamp kings. "Those LSU teams were scary..the guys were pure beasts... if they were coached by anyone else no one would have beat them"

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He only said it because he was butt hurt over the PTSD he suffered when Les executed the bounce toss fake FG on his sleezy arse.

frick Urban Meyer and frick Florida.

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Man honestly, I’d put in Mike Leach over Les Miles any day of the damn week and twice on Saturdays.

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I wonder, do y'all think about what you are saying?

Leach- likeable, quirky interviews, system passing game (none of his QBs have gone on to become great NFL players). Got you 8-9 wins at most.

Miles- quirky interviews, was considered a good guy at the time (wasn't until afterwards that the scandals came out). Hardnosed conservative football mentality- we're tough, and we aren't going to change, we'll break you with our game. *Best decade of football in LSU history, won a national title, but the criticism seems to be that we had 3 more teams good enough to win, but didn't.

So... what's the standard? Does Miles need to win 3-4 natties in a decade to get in, while Leach gets in because he gets you bowl eligible and laughing?
If you want to leave Miles out, fine- but then Leach doesn't come close to it.

Absolutely not

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Leach doesn't come close to it.

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good post, Leach is the definition of mediocrity, never won a thing but had a few good one liners

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No, sir. He did Les with more than any LSU coach in history, except maybe Oeaux

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I hate LSU fans.


O brought LSU to its first major bowl game since the 2011 title game. Followed that up with the greatest season in the history of CFB.

How is that doing less with more ?


Miles took over a great program, went 34-6 over the next three years, including a division title, conference title, sugar bowl, and National title.

After a crappy 2008, Miles went on a 53-13 run, with a conference title and National title appearance.

What exactly could either coach have done better, other than win at the same level as Saban?

For perspective, Ohio State played in a shitty league and has the same number of titles since 2005 as LSU. Les and Orgeron had their accomplishments in a league with Saban, urban Meyer, Steve Spurrier, Phil Fulmer, Mark Richt, and Kirby Smart.

Ohio State has been competing with Lloyd Carr, James Franklin, and Jim Harbaugh.

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O brought LSU to its first major bowl game since the 2011 title game. Followed that up with the greatest season in the history of CFB.

How is that doing less with more ?

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Orgeron definitely surprised me with his early years, in a positive way. But to be fair, I thought he'd be able to succeed with Miles' system in place, my concern was that he wouldn't be able to maintain it at the high level as things progressed over the years. And that does seem to be what happened.

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Miles took over a great program, went 34-6 over the next three years, including a division title, conference title, sugar bowl, and National title.

After a crappy 2008, Miles went on a 53-13 run, with a conference title and National title appearance.

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I give Miles credit for this. People say he won with Saban's program; to that I respond- A&M baseball this year. Coach left, but the team stayed intact, and an assistant tried to continue what was in place. They were very talented and could beat anyone, but the season was a disaster.

Miles might have come into a great situation, but he kept it rolling too. You mention 2008; a bad season to be sure. But everything was in place for Perilloux to run that team, and he got kicked off before the season. We likely win 10+ games that year if he stays out of trouble. We lost several because the QBs we were left with sucked- Hatch wasn't SEC talent. Lee threw pick 6's everywhere. Jefferson dropped his redshirt and salvaged the season by NOT throwing interceptions, and mostly handing off.

And as you pointed out, Miles then went on another run.

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What exactly could either coach have done better, other than win at the same level as Saban?

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Let's be honest- Miles won at LSU, at the same level Saban won at LSU. You can't count Alabama towards that. And Saban didn't have to play against Alabama with Saban.
People got butthurt when Alabama passed us, but it's historically a program with a higher ceiling. And Alabama passed Auburn, Florida, and Georgia too. That was our competition before, and we continued to hold our own against them. We just couldn't hold off the best program in the conference, while it was at it's peak.

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instory to play for two NCs. Saban also only had two 10-win seasons in 5 years. Les had 7 in his 11 (full season) career.

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Only issues here is the scheduling change from 11 to 12 games reg season that changes how easy it is to get to ten wins. Also Saban took over a team on back to back losing seasons. Les got a fully running program coming off a NC less than 2 years before he took over, a recruiting fence around the state.

So much different animals to compare

114-34..pretty sure he got in all this 134 wins..which is best all time.in LSU history.mbut keep hating

Shhhhhhmhe didn't smoke crack like the poster that posted this ..so now they are hating