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re: Les Miles 7-5 in his 4th season, with a bowl ......
Posted on 12/3/08 at 12:52 pm to geauxtoguy
Posted on 12/3/08 at 12:52 pm to geauxtoguy
Look Saban recruited quality people not just players with talent, you can't say the same for some of Miles' recruits.
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Posted on 12/3/08 at 12:53 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
Billy Ray BitchNWhine, load up your wagon and move to Tuscaloser, please!
Posted on 12/3/08 at 12:56 pm to ellessuuuu
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Look Saban recruited quality people not just players with talent, you can't say the same for some of Miles' recruits.
Why not?
Posted on 12/3/08 at 12:56 pm to ellessuuuu
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Look Saban recruited quality people not just players with talent, you can't say the same for some of Miles' recruits.
I'm no Miles apologist, but I really think you're reaching here. And WGAF anyway?
Better leadership qualities? maybe But higher quality individuals? not too sure & don't care
Posted on 12/3/08 at 12:57 pm to ellessuuuu
I'm not saying he didn't. But please stop saying the only reason Les won the BCSNCG was because he had Saban's players.
This post was edited on 12/3/08 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:00 pm to Come2Conquer
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forgot to include our QB situation & Co-DC fiasco as mitigating factors
is this not Miles fault
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:01 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
So you're saying that players like Spears, Clayton, Flynn, Dorsey, Hester, Mauck, Green, Hunt etc. Don't have character than RP, Derrick Odom, Rahim Alem (sp?) (maybe a good guy but he didn't show it Friday), etc.
Sure Saban recruited guys that had problems, but they didn't stay long. I look at his decision to get rid of Damien James in 2002. James was solid and it hurt getting rid of him because Hunt was not ready to step yet. But in the long run it was better for the team.
Sure Saban recruited guys that had problems, but they didn't stay long. I look at his decision to get rid of Damien James in 2002. James was solid and it hurt getting rid of him because Hunt was not ready to step yet. But in the long run it was better for the team.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:01 pm to Rza32
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is this not Miles fault
I didn't say it wasn't; nonetheless, the problems still existed & very much led to the current-day situation. How many of the other coaches mentioned (during the years given as examples) were at the beck-and-call of unproven (basically freshmen) QB's?
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:03 pm to geauxtoguy
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I'm not saying he didn't. But please stop saying the only reason Les won the BCSNCG was because he had Saban's players.
If you don't mind please point out where I have made that statement. I was simply disputing the comment made early on this thread that LM won the NC with mostly his players last year.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:05 pm to ellessuuuu
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So you're saying that players like Spears, Clayton, Flynn, Dorsey, Hester, Mauck, Green, Hunt etc. Don't have character than RP, Derrick Odom, Rahim Alem (sp?) (maybe a good guy but he didn't show it Friday), etc.
Sure Saban recruited guys that had problems, but they didn't stay long. I look at his decision to get rid of Damien James in 2002. James was solid and it hurt getting rid of him because Hunt was not ready to step yet. But in the long run it was better for the team.
First off, I mentioned RP already. I'm glad you brought up Odom too...he was summarily dismissed from the team by Miles.
You're gonna' judge Alem's character based on a single penalty in one game? Can we use Clayton's pretty bad attitude once he got into the NFL as an example too?
Secondly, Miles has been just as much the internal disciplinarian as Saban was. You can't, in any way, cite TWO players on Miles' roster to support your theory that Saban recruited high character guys & Miles doesn't. It's not logical at all.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:06 pm to Come2Conquer
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Besides your obvious swipe at Miles vis-a-vis the Dinardo reference
Truthfully, it wasn't intended to be a swipe at Miles, although I can see how it could be taken that way...The DiNardo reference was meant to be a joke...I was just curious of the past 4th & 5th season records of BCC champs coaches, so I posted those records.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:06 pm to Come2Conquer
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he was summarily dismissed from the team by Miles
It took 3 arrest before Odom was "summarily" dismissed from the team.
Would LM has kicked Damien James off the team in the middle of the 2002 season, as Saban did?
Based on how long it took before RP and Odom were released I really don't think he would have dismissed James.
I used two examples off of Miles' Roster, but I used several examples of high character guys that Saban recruited, please fill in the gaps who are some of the solid high character leaders that Miles has brought in?
This post was edited on 12/3/08 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:08 pm to Skillet
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Truthfully, it wasn't intended to be a swipe at Miles, although I can see how it could be taken that way...The DiNardo reference was meant to be a joke...I was just curious of the past 4th & 5th season records of BCC champs coaches, so I posted those records.
"Lies, damn lies, & statistics!"
You know the quote, I know the quote; many here know the quote.
Your post was anecdotal at best; unfortunately, it doesn't prove anything. Too many circumstantial differences in each of those examples.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:11 pm to ellessuuuu
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It took 3 arrest before Odom was "summarily" dismissed from the team.
Would LM has kicked Damien James off the team in the middle of the 2002 season, as Saban did?
Based on how long it took before RP and Odom were released I really don't think he would have dismissed James.
All 3 of those arrests came in quite a short bit of time; it's not unheard of that CFB coaches wait until the law enforcement agencies can provide their department with all of the facts/circumstances before making a decision on a player's status.
What you think about Miles insofar as the James situation is about as relevant as what you think about Miles in terms of recruiting "high character" players: it's supposition, not fact...and you have no proof to state it as otherwise.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:12 pm to Come2Conquer
All James did was miss practice on two occasions and he was done. It took about 8 months of that crap from RP before he was done, thats not speculation.
I'll repeat my previous question name some solid leaders (with strong character) that Miles has brought to this football team.
I'll repeat my previous question name some solid leaders (with strong character) that Miles has brought to this football team.
This post was edited on 12/3/08 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:16 pm to ellessuuuu
quote:so you list the best guys from Saban's era and some of the worst (Alem, WTF?) from Miles'. At least you're being fair.
So you're saying that players like Spears, Clayton, Flynn, Dorsey, Hester, Mauck, Green, Hunt etc. Don't have character than RP, Derrick Odom, Rahim Alem (sp?) (maybe a good guy but he didn't show it Friday), etc.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:17 pm to ellessuuuu
Face it, Les Miles is just not a very good coach. He's average at best and even that is debatable. Who decides to throw it 3rd and 1? Who decides to kick a 63 yrd field goal in the rain? A low-caliber coach, that's who.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:18 pm to ellessuuuu
So, now we're including leadership as a quality as well? Not just character, but leadership. Hmmm...I believe, from what I've seen, that most of Miles' recruits are of high character. Nothing I've seen has led me to believe otherwise. Sure, there have been some on-the-field issues that might hint at the opposite; but I've played organized sports in the past and I know that losing/disappointment can be frustrating and not always bring out the best in an athlete.
As far as I can tell, no one that Miles recruited has stepped up in a leadership role. I think that's partially because many of them aren't in a position too yet, but perhaps you're right. Perhaps Saban was better at identifying leaders than Miles is.
Perhaps we should wait a bit to see whether this season was an anomaly or a portent of things to come.
Perhaps we shouldn't deal in concrete assertions without having a whole helluva' lot more proof.
As far as I can tell, no one that Miles recruited has stepped up in a leadership role. I think that's partially because many of them aren't in a position too yet, but perhaps you're right. Perhaps Saban was better at identifying leaders than Miles is.
Perhaps we should wait a bit to see whether this season was an anomaly or a portent of things to come.
Perhaps we shouldn't deal in concrete assertions without having a whole helluva' lot more proof.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:19 pm to drexyl
I am asking, who are the good ones from the Miles era?
Yes, what Alem did Friday was selfish and stupid and believe it or not that reflects on a person's character and over all discipline.
I also pointed out that there were problems during Saban's time here, but they didn't last long. I pointed out specifically the Damien James incident.
I'm trying to be fair please name the people that I have missed from Miles' era?
Yes, what Alem did Friday was selfish and stupid and believe it or not that reflects on a person's character and over all discipline.
I also pointed out that there were problems during Saban's time here, but they didn't last long. I pointed out specifically the Damien James incident.
I'm trying to be fair please name the people that I have missed from Miles' era?
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:19 pm to MemphisJerk
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Face it, Les Miles is just not a very good coach. He's average at best and even that is debatable. Who decides to throw it 3rd and 1? Who decides to kick a 63 yrd field goal in the rain? A low-caliber coach, that's who.
Boy, that armchair must be comfy as all get-out!
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