re: Les and 5 for 5

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But look at joe burrow 18’ vs joe burrow 19’ and how a modern system can improve your QB play

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When Joe Burrow got here in 2018, he had approximately two months to work with his receivers. In 2019, not only did he have an entire offseason with the same returning receiving corps, but he was essentially a professional quarterback who was barely even taking classes and could devote all of his time to the game. If you can go back and look at the games from last year, both Joe and his receivers knew exactly where the ball needed to be and when before it was even snapped.

Give credit where credit is due. The system switch helped for sure, but that was the most well-prepared collegiate group I have ever seen.

As far as Miles, give it a rest. Guy won a national championship and played for another. Even when the program started to go downhill at the end of his time, to the extent it did so, it was only to such an extent that we could recover and win a championship in the most dominant fashion ever within three years.

Guy was a great coach for us. We have another one behind him. Pay him his dues and enjoy the ride we're on now.

You are wrong here.

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Even still, 2018 & 19’ were so drastic, no one with a brain can simply say it was because he had more time with the receivers.

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Joe's first four games in 2018:
105.39 QBR, 52/117 (48.5%) 731 yards 6.25 ypa, 3 TDs

Joe's last four games in 2018:
175.49 QBR, 86/128 (67.2%) 1,242 yards 9.70 ypa, 11 TDs, 1 INT

Joe in 2019:
202.0 QBR, 402/527 (76.3%) 5,671 yards 10.8 yea 60 TDs 6 INTs

It wasn't that drastic. Joe and his receivers weren't on the same page at the start of the season. It also didn't help that we had Florida, Georgia, and Alabama in the middle stretch of 2018. Everybody knew that he was going to be the best we had seen in a long time at the end of 2018. We just didn't know he was going to be the best we had EVER seen.

Spot on..........

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Everybody knew that he was going to be the best we had seen in a long time at the end of 2018

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Nah again you have a poor memory cause there were a ton of haters. The majority for sure.

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It wasn't that drastic.

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I was a Burrow truther from the absolute beginning.

And it was drastic.

Playing well against 2-10 teams & in a 7 OT game does not paint an accurate sample size on what the LSU offense was in 2018.

He was a 57% passer. He threw for 16tds. Drastic.

Growth happens from game to game, not just season to season, especially for someone like Burrow and especially when it comes down to timing with your receivers. He threw 11 of his 16 touchdowns in that last four games of the season and improved his completion percentage by almost twenty percent. That's a direct product of more reps and greater comfort with your teammates.

Miami, SELA, Auburn, and La. Tech are not a substantially different level of competition than Arkansas, Rice, Texas A&M, and Central Florida, but you do you.

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And all of them were gone when Miles took over in 05, after which LSU truly became a consistent player on the national stage, not just in state.



LSU, from that point on, has never struggled to attract talent. And that has gone on through 3 different coaches.

I have no clue what your point is

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How many times do I have to tell you, you have to keep reading

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Those classes from 09 right up until he was fired were pretty consistent with what he took over in terms of linemen.

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The bottom line is the standard of talent never really dropped off under Miles. The problem was that the standard at Alabama simply took off far beyond what LSU or anyone else was bringing in every single year.

Only viewed against Alabama was our talent no longer “up to standard”, at least on the OL.


As for the DL, while there was some drop off, Miles bringing in O was supposed to be the key to getting the DL back up to where we wanted it to be, so he was addressing that.

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But look at joe burrow 18’ vs joe burrow 19’ and how a modern system can improve your QB play

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I understand you aren’t trying to say a new system would have turned those other QBs into a Burrow like success.

But even making a comment like that completely disregards the fact that Burrow showed more than enough in 2018 to convince the coaches he could do more if put in the right situation and given the chance to operate the offense through him rather than the run game.


Those other QBs really didn’t even give the slightest glimpse that putting the ball in their hands more would lead to good things, no matter how the system was tweaked.

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OL certainly had been a talking point for years under miles. With the lack of pro players from his units.

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Except Miles had more of his OL guys drafted in the second half of his tenure than he did in the first half.

Turner, Lael, Vadal, Clapp, and Pocic (Cush was also a Miles recruit) are one of the better stretches of OL drafted in recent history, so not sure where you’re coming up with this “standard”.

Are you expecting multiple OL drafted every year going forward under O?

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WR as well in Miles’ later years too. Quinn, Diarse & Tyrion Johnson all transfered out because of Miles’ ineptness. Jazz Ferguson left after 16’ as well.

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I won’t argue that we had an abundance of playmakers at WR those last couple of years, although there certainly appeared to be talent before guys like Drake and Dee proved unable to stay in the program, and Chark and even Gage did go on to have success in the league with Dural and Malachi getting looks as well. But again it’s tough to judge the WR position with QBs that can’t be trusted to get them the ball.


Hence, the fatal flaw of his inability to evaluate and develop QBs, like I said to begin with

I didn't care who was our coach after that Florida game as long as we won, and I wanted him gone after losing to Arkansas that same year.

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Les running Hester up the middle on 4th down 5 times actually shows how unimaginative he was/is.

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It was working why stop?