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re: Lady Tigers basketball
Posted on 2/10/16 at 12:06 am to camplsu
Posted on 2/10/16 at 12:06 am to camplsu
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To the people who said Nikki had some good seasons, when were those seasons? She has never finished better than 4th in the conference. She went to the sweet sixteen twice, but only because women's basketball is a joke and they let 11 seeds host regionals. This is a program that went to five straight final fours. Nikki Caldwell has not been successful. This is year 5, she has done nothing to deserve a sixth season.
This is just dumb.
You can't say she's had no success, then in the same breath say she's been to the sweet sixteen twice in four seasons, then try to downgrade it by saying it's only because they hosted. Who cares WHY they made it. The fact is, they did. She's had four winning seasons in four yearss.............two of which were teams that made it to the sweet sixteen. Let that sink in................... They're not gonna fire her for ONE losing season. Stop gettin' your hopes up.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 12:08 am
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Posted on 2/10/16 at 12:20 am to dolphins6969
shite the selfish part of me wants her to stick around for another three years. So my dream can come true and my daughter play basketball at LSU.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 12:23 am
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:52 am to craig8sm
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Letting Kalani Brown leave Louisiana turned my opinion of Nikki, I don't care, you do not let a player like that get out of state. From the sounds of it Nikki's staff never really went after Brown seriously. Pathetic.
You can add Meo Knight to that list as well. I know for a fact that Nikki rolled her eyes and laughed when asked if they were recruiting Knight.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:06 am to GRIZZ
I fail to see how Knight would make a difference with this team. Maybe she'll be the first person to jump off a chair when a scuffle occurs on the court.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 2:08 am
Posted on 2/10/16 at 5:32 am to MrPel
You can only ride the injury excuse for so long. Nikki's teams since the loss of Theresa Plaisance and Jeanne Kenney have been just shy of hot messes. You might not be able to do anything about injuries but you sure as hell can do something about poor character recruits you constantly bring into Baton ROuge, and Nikki has shown no signs that she can recruit SEC level talent without being head cases that will eventually be dismissed from the team or leave on their own.
That IS 100% Nikki's responsibility. So what if Tatum and Chloe are coming in next year, with Nikki's track record they will be suspended and bounce in and out of the line up until they are cut or they transfer. It's Nikki's MO, same as in UCLA.
That IS 100% Nikki's responsibility. So what if Tatum and Chloe are coming in next year, with Nikki's track record they will be suspended and bounce in and out of the line up until they are cut or they transfer. It's Nikki's MO, same as in UCLA.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 7:55 am to lsualum96
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You can't say she's had no success, then in the same breath say she's been to the sweet sixteen twice in four seasons, then try to downgrade it by saying it's only because they hosted. Who cares WHY they made it. The fact is, they did.
Absolutely you can downgrade the "success" she has had. If you don't think we advanced that far in large part due to having a home court advantage then I don't know what to tell you. Nikki Caldwell in the NCAA tournament is pretty simple to me, she is 5-1 in games played in the PMAC and she is 0-3 in games not played in the PMAC.
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She's had four winning seasons in four yearss
If winning seasons is the barometer of success for you then maybe Nikki is the one for the job. You can finish in the bottom half of the SEC and have a winning season. That's right where we have been the last three years.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 12:22 pm to camplsu
If you think about it, we really haven't been ranked the past couple years either. A winning season isn't too difficult to achieve. This season is pretty disgusting.
We have been VERY fortunate to have played our opening rounds at home in the PMAC, if not, I am not sure if we would have advanced. Thats not to say she shouldn't get credit for coaching her team up against better teams. But that should be taken in consideration.
I think she has already reached her peak her at LSU. I mean, she isn't recruiting another Barret, Plaissance, Kenney, Ballard anytime soon. Unless she has another top 20 class within the next year, it won't get much better then middle to bottom of the pack of the conference anytime soon.
She was handed keys to a solid team, with talent, now she has ran out of that talent and we are seeing the effects now. Thats the issue here most people see. Regardless of winning seasons and her trip to the sweet sixteen.
We have been VERY fortunate to have played our opening rounds at home in the PMAC, if not, I am not sure if we would have advanced. Thats not to say she shouldn't get credit for coaching her team up against better teams. But that should be taken in consideration.
I think she has already reached her peak her at LSU. I mean, she isn't recruiting another Barret, Plaissance, Kenney, Ballard anytime soon. Unless she has another top 20 class within the next year, it won't get much better then middle to bottom of the pack of the conference anytime soon.
She was handed keys to a solid team, with talent, now she has ran out of that talent and we are seeing the effects now. Thats the issue here most people see. Regardless of winning seasons and her trip to the sweet sixteen.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 12:26 pm to lsualum96
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all sports at LSU "matter" or the university wouldn't have them.
Title IX disagrees
Posted on 2/10/16 at 12:28 pm to craig8sm
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Theresa Plaisance and Jeanne Kenney
I see where you're going...idiot!
Posted on 2/10/16 at 1:12 pm to hbuc88
No to Meo Knight, players Nikki failed on getting Victoria Vivans and Tiera Mcgoawn at State. Lexie Brown transfer from Maryland, Kalani Brown and Beateice from Baylor. Just the few I know right of the top of my head.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:05 pm to jumpman24
If Nikki wants to spend most of her time/effort on fashion shopping and taking care of her kid and husband....that's fine ! Just don't expect LSU to continue paying big bucks for ever worsening results !
Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:12 pm to camplsu
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Absolutely you can downgrade the "success" she has had. If you don't think we advanced that far in large part due to having a home court advantage then I don't know what to tell you. Nikki Caldwell in the NCAA tournament is pretty simple to me, she is 5-1 in games played in the PMAC and she is 0-3 in games not played in the PMAC.
It doesn't matter what "plays a large part in it". The fact is, she made it to the sweet sixteen. You can't put some kind of asterisk by the accomplishment, unless they did something against the rules. It's not like Van was making it that far on a regular basis, by the way
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If winning seasons is the barometer of success for you then maybe Nikki is the one for the job. You can finish in the bottom half of the SEC and have a winning season. That's right where we have been the last three years.
Sorry, but this is just wrong. The SEC is a big 14 team league and we have not finished in the "bottom half of the SEC" the last three years or four years, for that matter.................
Year Overall Rec SEC Record (place)
2014-15 17-14 10-6 (tie 3rd place)
2013-14 21-13 7-9 (tie 6th place)
2012-13 22-12 10-6 (6th place)
2011-12 23-11 10-6 (tie 4th place)
Again, I just wish folks would come on here and post facts rather than just how they feel emotionally. I get it.......................this season has been HORRIBLE. I'm the first one to admit it. Quite frankly, if the decision is made to let the coach go I don't have a problem with it. However, I also have no problem if they let her stay and see if she can turn it around. If we'd had a bunch of losing seasons in a row, it would be different. But we just haven't. She's had winning teams since she got here.
The problem is that she's not winning on the level that ALL OF US wanted / expected. And yes...........that's a problem. But let's not try to paint her tenure here as one long dumpster fire. She's been bad a recruiting. She's been bad at player management. But she IS winning...........and she's done it by being pretty good with the X's and O's. In fact, if she'd been able to bring in the talent Pokey was able to bring in, I believe she would've had a final four team by now. But she hasn't. And right now it's her Achilles heel. I'm hoping to see improvement. But if we don't see improvement next season, that will be a problem.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 2:46 pm to lsualum96
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Again, I just wish folks would come on here and post facts rather than just how they feel emotionally
The issue is that those that complain don't give a rat's a** about the team and just want to pile on. They're the miserable fricks that are always looking for a reason to complain.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:14 pm to hbuc88
And there are a lot of us who do care, but are staying out of this debate.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:20 pm to 18handicap
The one dude is right though....most of the people who post in WBB threads just come to pile on and really don't know what they are talking about.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:26 pm to lsualum96
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Again, I just wish folks would come on here and post facts rather than just how they feel emotionally
Fact: Nikki gets paid entirely too much.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:30 pm to hbuc88
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The issue is that those that complain don't give a rat's a** about the team and just want to pile on. They're the miserable fricks that are always looking for a reason to complain.
Listen, I may have exaggerated on finishing at the bottom of the league every year but all of my points about the program have been valid. Nikki was hired to get this program back to the level it was at under Pokey. That level was SEC Championships and Final Fours. That is what was expected by everyone. At the time it was an AMAZING hire on paper.
However, she has not gotten us there. Not really close honestly. What was the highest we have finished the season in the Top 25 poll under Nikki? The answer is 21st. One other season we finished 24th. Other than that we have finished unranked under Nikki.
I have a friend of mine that knows Nikki well and loves Nikki because she is such a good person. But even he told me in the middle of last season that she would be gone at the end of this season because every one in and around the program knew this diaster of a season was about to happen.
At the end of the day, she is fair game to criticism because she just hasn't been able to get done what was expected out of her. We were sold on a championship level coach and we haven't gotten that in the first four years and now in year five we are getting a dumpster fire.
Side note: I feel like the term "Good X's & O's Coach" only gets used to describe basketball coaches that can't recruit. Guess what, recruiting is 80% of the job in men's and women's college basketball. If you can't recruit then you can't coach in college basketball. If you are an "X's & O's Coach" only, you need to go coach at the high school level.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 5:18 pm to More beer please
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Fact: Nikki gets paid entirely too much.
LOL! Based on what...................? How you feel?
Posted on 2/10/16 at 5:20 pm to camplsu
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Listen, I may have exaggerated on finishing at the bottom of the league every year but all of my points about the program have been valid. Nikki was hired to get this program back to the level it was at under Pokey. That level was SEC Championships and Final Fours. That is what was expected by everyone. At the time it was an AMAZING hire on paper.
However, she has not gotten us there. Not really close honestly. What was the highest we have finished the season in the Top 25 poll under Nikki? The answer is 21st. One other season we finished 24th. Other than that we have finished unranked under Nikki.
I have a friend of mine that knows Nikki well and loves Nikki because she is such a good person. But even he told me in the middle of last season that she would be gone at the end of this season because every one in and around the program knew this diaster of a season was about to happen.
At the end of the day, she is fair game to criticism because she just hasn't been able to get done what was expected out of her. We were sold on a championship level coach and we haven't gotten that in the first four years and now in year five we are getting a dumpster fire.
Side note: I feel like the term "Good X's & O's Coach" only gets used to describe basketball coaches that can't recruit. Guess what, recruiting is 80% of the job in men's and women's college basketball. If you can't recruit then you can't coach in college basketball. If you are an "X's & O's Coach" only, you need to go coach at the high school level.
Now THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I can agree with.
Except I don't personally use the "good with X's and O's" expression to describe a coach who's not good recruiting. There are plenty of coaches who I think are great at both...............Kim Mulkey being one that comes to mind. Nikki has shown she can put together very good game plans and even get her team to win games that they probably shouldn't have won. Her biggest problem, as we've all said here, is RECRUITING. I don't know if that will be rectified in the 2017 class, but the 2016 class is a little better than the the two previous classes.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 5:29 pm to camplsu
Spot on,
There is zero reason for anyone to complain about the hire originally, she seemed liked a perfect hire. 90% of her tenure here we haven't sniffed the top 25 nor have had a top 25 class. Every season, we are lots of injuries, attrition, suspensions, and staff changes. If you look at it as a whole, its somewhat alarming.
I have followed the program for years and I still support Nikki. I have been lucky enough to meet her a few times. She is very likable, and from what I have gotten, she works very hard. She does coach her arse of in games too but unfortunately, the majority of college basketball depends on the recruiting.
We can't even attract our top in state prospects, not even in consideration for any elite prospects. We have such a difficult time getting anyone, to the point where we have to rely on left over transfers from other schools. We have had some good outcomes, Harden and Hyder, but for the most part, it doesnt bode well. We recruit players that are already upperclassmen, they don't even get to develop here or be in the system for too long either.
Lets all be honest too, Pokey Chatman level of caliber was not expected, but having a competitive team in the conference and respected on a national scale was what we need, and Nikki has failed in that aspect. Aside for those trips to the sweet sixteen, spotted by home court advantage in the opening rounds, we have failed to not go anywhere.
On a side note, does anyone know what the hell is up with Deemer?
Personally, if we don't win one more game this season, I think she is gone. Our program is now starting to get some real heat and bad publicity all over the place. I think Alleva wouldn't be afraid to make a change, my question is who would we hire.
There is zero reason for anyone to complain about the hire originally, she seemed liked a perfect hire. 90% of her tenure here we haven't sniffed the top 25 nor have had a top 25 class. Every season, we are lots of injuries, attrition, suspensions, and staff changes. If you look at it as a whole, its somewhat alarming.
I have followed the program for years and I still support Nikki. I have been lucky enough to meet her a few times. She is very likable, and from what I have gotten, she works very hard. She does coach her arse of in games too but unfortunately, the majority of college basketball depends on the recruiting.
We can't even attract our top in state prospects, not even in consideration for any elite prospects. We have such a difficult time getting anyone, to the point where we have to rely on left over transfers from other schools. We have had some good outcomes, Harden and Hyder, but for the most part, it doesnt bode well. We recruit players that are already upperclassmen, they don't even get to develop here or be in the system for too long either.
Lets all be honest too, Pokey Chatman level of caliber was not expected, but having a competitive team in the conference and respected on a national scale was what we need, and Nikki has failed in that aspect. Aside for those trips to the sweet sixteen, spotted by home court advantage in the opening rounds, we have failed to not go anywhere.
On a side note, does anyone know what the hell is up with Deemer?
Personally, if we don't win one more game this season, I think she is gone. Our program is now starting to get some real heat and bad publicity all over the place. I think Alleva wouldn't be afraid to make a change, my question is who would we hire.
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