re: Kind of weird but OK. Ed just taking suggestions from everybody now.

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it is also true that someone has always had the job of analyzing statistics.

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No, this is not true. It an extremely recent thing. At least in any meaningfully useful way.

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God I hope we aren't paying our coaching staff hundreds of thousands a year to "chart everything". That's not laziness, just a terrible use of their time.

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Not coaches, scouts. Scouts or "analysts" are part of your staff, or did you not know that? And they didn't do the work that Jack and his staff did. Why are you so thick headed?

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"Football analysts" chart plays. Again, that is data collection. Then they give the spreadsheets to the actual statisticians employed by Jack to make sense of them.

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Except that Jack and his staff are not officially members of the LSU football program, and as such, their analysis was nowhere to be seen for half of the season. Maybe, if Ed's own analysts weren't going to do anything, they should have reached out to jack a lot sooner, instead of him having to come to them.

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No, this is not true. It an extremely recent thing. At least in any meaningfully useful way.

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So, in this little box you think in, you actually think that for decades and decades people just wrote stuff down and then didn't do anything with it? Do you think that the existence of the word "analysis" is codependent upon the existence of computers? What you have now, I say yet again, is more more efficient as far as time and material. But people in all walks of life have to pay attention to details and analyze those details for trends. Just as with the development of any idea or technology, people figure out more efficient ways to analyze, to build, or even to eat. Analysis is not a recent thing.

Yes. I am paid to consult with firms on how to use the data they collect, including professional sports organizations. Most of them still collect massive amounts and do nothing with it except pay a third party to house it and do a few descriptive reports for the board. Your belief in how advanced most college athletic departments are with analytics (or "scouting") far outpaces reality.

The internet and advanced computing didn't just make it easier for most organizations, they only just made it even remotely possible. You think Curley had some undergrad intern calculating ANOVAs by hand in the mid 1990s?

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Yes. I am paid to consult with firms on how to use the data they collect, including professional sports organizations. Most of them still collect massive amounts and do nothing with it except pay a third party to house it and do a few descriptive reports for the board. Your belief in how advanced most college athletic departments are with analytics far outpaces reality.

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Who said I thought they were so advanced? I think some are more advanced than others. And I think ours has been poor.

Jack Marucci has been an athletic trainer for a billion years. Now, you make it sounds like he has this amazing elite staff. I doubt seriously his staff is any bigger than Orgeron's "shadow staff", and yet we see that our staff is inept. And that's the point.

The point has changed several times now...

Last post it was "You think we just haven't been using all these data for all these decades?"

Now it's "Well why did we wait till this week to use it?"

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Whatever "that far along" means...

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If Marucci was suggesting certain personnel groups, in specific blocking schemes and formations, based on physical performance data they’ve collected on those players individually over the course of camp, practices, and games that would be pretty significant. If he’s using “data” to show things like we’re better in man/gap than zone, Mashburn blocks better than Taylor, or that Davis-Price is better running downhill than making reads and moving laterally then it goes back to the original comment in the thread that got everyone all upset. Those are things that can be and should have been seen by coaches long before now.

I’m not going to pretend to know what kind of changes he suggested and what those were based on. It could range from “cutting edge” to “well no shite why did it take Marucci to suggest it?”

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I noticed how you edited from "staff" to "resources". Wouldn't want to let it slip that you need people to analyze data.

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It's an important distinction. That's why I made tbe change. A small staff with a lot of programming knowledge is infinitely more useful than a bunch of good old boys and climbers from the coaching circuit.

Hey, look, another late edit by you.

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Last post it was "You think we just haven't been using all these data for all these decades?"

Now it's "Well why did we wait till this week to use it?"

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What? That isn't remotely what I said.


I have said multiple times that "analysis" has always been part of the game. Now we have a more efficient way of doing it. I must have said that 10 times, at least. And I was criticizing the fact that our staff couldn't do the work of charting and analyzing what Marucci's staff did. And since they couldn't why didn't they seek help?

Your representation of what I said is grossly false, and intentionally misleading. I see why no one wants to do anything with your data. They probably see right through your crap, just like I do.

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It's an important distinction. That's why I made tbe change. A small staff with a lot of programming knowledge is infinitely more useful than a bunch of good old boys and climbers from the coaching circuit.

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In which case, LSU doesn't need a giant staff. Just a staff who knows what its doing. Which is why I was critical of our staff for NOT having their crap together.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. First it's " do you think they have enough analysts?" and now it's " A small staff with a lot of programming knowledge is infinitely more useful than a bunch of good old boys and climbers from the coaching circuit."

Those "good ole boys" aren't good at their jobs. Find some good ole boys, or good new boys who are. I don't care who it is.