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re: Kenpom predicts 3 conference wins for mens hoops
Posted on 12/28/22 at 11:32 am to Hurricane Mike
Posted on 12/28/22 at 11:32 am to Hurricane Mike
Tamu is terrible. That’s 2 wins right there.
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 11:33 am to Tiger Ugly
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and we've got very little production from our freshmen this year so far - I think a bit more was expected.
I don't disagree. I was just saying that his recruiting was looked at as being really good with the class he had. Development may be another issue.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 11:34 am to Tiger Ugly
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and we've got very little production from our freshmen this year so far - I think a bit more was expected.
What’s been up with Ward? Thought he would come in and play right away
Posted on 12/28/22 at 11:41 am to Big EZ Tiger
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I don't disagree. I was just saying that his recruiting was looked at as being really good with the class he had. Development may be another issue.
Well when I said a bit more was expected I'm including the coaching staff in that.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 11:42 am to 23hella
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What’s been up with Ward? Thought he would come in and play right away
The last game was the first one I saw him get action in where he did not look completely lost. But he's probably only played in half or less of the games.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 11:55 am to Alt26
quote:Wade inherited a full roster with at least a capable player at every position. He had enough he could afford to process a few players. Yet you call that a rebuild and not what McMahon started off with???
Agreed 100%.
A "total rebuild" year was Johnny Jones's and Wades first seasons.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 11:56 am to bloupe2
12 straight losses ? Lmaoo cmon now
Posted on 12/28/22 at 12:11 pm to bloupe2
I predict 9 conference wins and 9 conference losses. 21-10
Posted on 12/28/22 at 12:22 pm to bloupe2
I said 4-6 SEC wins a few weeks ago and got downvoted. I’m hoping for more than that but not sure what some of you posters saying 7-9 are seeing to be that confident.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 12:28 pm to ELLSSUU
Back half of the schedule is much more favorable, and the team will be playing better together by then. Those 9 Ws come mostly then.
NIT should be a realistic goal.
NIT should be a realistic goal.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 12:47 pm to mmcgrath
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Wade inherited a full roster with at least a capable player at every position. He had enough he could afford to process a few players. Yet you call that a rebuild and not what McMahon started off with???
The season didn't start in May. Yes, McMahon had to "rebuild" the roster in April and May. But he started this season with a more capable roster than what Wade started with in 2017. One with a ton of experience (albeit not all at LSU). KJ and Hannibal are Seniors. Wilkinson, Fountain, Hill, Hayes, Coleman, Miller are all 3rd year players with significant D-1 experience. The 17-18 team had Waters (true Freshman), Mays (sophomore), Epps (Senior), Edwards (JUCO transfer) and Reath (2nd year JUCO transfer).
This roster is better and deeper, overall, than the 17-18 roster. So while I don't think the expectations should be for LSU to be a legitimate contender for the SEC title in a conference will multiple really good teams, I don't subscribe to the fact that fans should expect a poor season under the guise that this is a "rebuilding year". This isn't a bad roster.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 1:11 pm to Alt26
2017-18 also had junior Brandon Sampson, who is still playing in the G-league. You mention that Reath was a 2nd year JUCO transfer, but he was also a returning player who avg. double figures scoring the previous year for LSU. Epps and Mayes were also contributors in Jones’ last year. You didn't even mention that Randy Onwuasor was a grad transfer who led the Big Sky conference in scoring the previous year.
Let’s not act like this is any less of a rebuild than Will Wade’s first year. Both teams are/were major rebuilds and the players experience levels aren’t that far off.
Let’s not act like this is any less of a rebuild than Will Wade’s first year. Both teams are/were major rebuilds and the players experience levels aren’t that far off.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 1:34 pm to T
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Let’s not act like this is any less of a rebuild than Will Wade’s first year. Both teams are/were major rebuilds and the players experience levels aren’t that far off.
That team was picked to finish DEAD LAST in the SEC. This team was picked to finish 8th. Was the initial creation of the roster much, much tougher for McMahon? Absolutely. But the transfer rules made it much easier to quickly complete that "rebuild". Rebuilding is not a years long process in college basketball anymore. A terrible team can be rebuilt in the span of a single offseason (just ask the team that ended LSU's season last year).
This isn't May. LSU entered the season with a full roster. One that should be capable of competing in the 6-10 order of finish range in the SEC...and I think they will. But if LSU bottoms out in the league and only wins 3-4 games, then the "rebuild" excuse won't fly. That means that not only would LSU have lost all or almost all of their games to the top 5 or so teams in the league, they also would have lost to several mid-tier teams...many of whom likewise have new coaches considering nearly half (6) the programs in the SEC have first year HCs.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 1:43 pm to bloupe2
Warren Nolan predicted 12 wins?
Split the difference, so 7-8 wins?
KenPom has us losing 9 games by 6 or less, which means it can go either way.
Split the difference, so 7-8 wins?
KenPom has us losing 9 games by 6 or less, which means it can go either way.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 2:08 pm to Alt26
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if LSU bottoms out in the league and only wins 3-4 games, then the "rebuild" excuse won't fly.
Not arguing that. This team should be expected to compete for the NIT. If we go 7-11 (19-12) and 11th place I think that is very good start to the Matt McMahon era.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 3:48 pm to Alt26
quote:The rebuild sure did.
The season didn't start in May.
quote:The point is that most of those players were already on the roster, Wade didn't have to recruit them. Plus Wade ran off Patterson and a 7 foot center. He didn't have to put together a team from scratch.
But he started this season with a more capable roster than what Wade started with in 2017. One with a ton of experience (albeit not all at LSU). KJ and Hannibal are Seniors. Wilkinson, Fountain, Hill, Hayes, Coleman, Miller are all 3rd year players with significant D-1 experience. The 17-18 team had Waters (true Freshman), Mays (sophomore), Epps (Senior), Edwards (JUCO transfer) and Reath (2nd year JUCO transfer).
Now if you want to say that Matt's team is better on paper than Will's, so be it. But that team had returning players and it is arguable which one is the better team. The difference sure isn't stark.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 4:00 pm to Mats86
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starting out winless for that many games will have this place so toxic
So much more toxic than it already is.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 9:44 pm to Alt26
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That said, if you are disappointed this team isn't competing at the top of the SEC with Tennessee, Arkansas, Kentucky, Alabama and Auburn, that's on YOU. This team was never expected to be in that strata. But if you compare LSU's results thus far with teams in that next 6-12 range it is more or less the same. Some good results. Some games against mid-majors that were far closer than expected. Some tough losses.
Couldn’t agree more with this.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 9:47 pm to mmcgrath
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Wade inherited a full roster with at least a capable player at every position. He had enough he could afford to process a few players. Yet you call that a rebuild and not what McMahon started off with???
McMahon BROUGHT 3 players from an NCAA tournament team arguably one of the top mid-majors in the country. You cannot look at things the same way as before the portal. Damn people get a freaking grip
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