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re: Justin Vincent clears up what happened with Travis Etienne's recruitment
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:11 pm to RB10
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:11 pm to RB10
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He was so ready to commit to LSU that he named Alabama his leader and then committed to Texas A&M.
He didn't even have an LSU offer.
the point went way over your head, as usual.
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:12 pm to Lester Earl
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Hey, you said it not me.
You’ve been saying that for pages
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:12 pm to Lester Earl
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He could have very well been. Or not. It could have been pulled. It may not have been there to being with. Who knows. Recruiting sites routinely report offers that are not committable .
Well, that’s what 247 shows and that’s what seems to be indicated in all the articles I’ve seen from around that time, so do you have a link that he wasn’t offered until signing day?
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:13 pm to Lester Earl
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He didn't even have an LSU offer.
the point went way over your head, as usual.
So he was forced to commit to Texas A&M 8 months before signing day?
You don't have a point Lester. You're just fabricating ways to try and blame this on Miles, which we all know is your entire schtick.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:13 pm to UpToPar
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Well, that’s what 247 shows and that’s what seems to be indicated in all the articles I’ve seen from around that time, so do you have a link that he wasn’t offered until signing day?
He's got his opinion, which is worth SO much more than any link that can be provided.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:14 pm to UpToPar
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LSU entered signing day having doled out signing papers to four prospects for four open spots in the 2018 class: Scotlandville defensive back Kelvin Joseph, receiver Ja'Marr Chase from Rummel, Alabama quarterback James Foster and Florida cornerback Patrick Surtain.
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Coach Ed Orgeron had a backup plan, too, if needed in Missouri cornerback Mario Goodrich.
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The wrench in the plan: When Surtain snubbed LSU for Alabama, Orgeron’s backup plan had already made his commitment to Clemson.
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“First of all, we had a draft and put the four guys up we were going to give scholarships to. We had several guys that wanted to commit. I didn’t have a scholarship for him. I wasn’t going to tell them I could take their commitment. I wasn’t going to lie to them. Now, some people may do that and feel good about it. I wasn’t going to do that,”
- Ross Dellenger, The Advocate
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:19 pm to Lester Earl
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He didn't even have an LSU offer.
The funniest part of this whole thing is you and yours have been blasting Miles since last September talking about how Miles recruiting classes were overrated because they were loaded with skill guys and not enough trench guys but you’re here saying he “royally fricked up” by not giving fully commitable offers to Akers, CEH, and TE.
You must be a fatass dude from all the cake you like to have and eat too on this board
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:20 pm to Lester Earl
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LSU entered signing day having doled out signing papers to four prospects for four open spots in the 2018 class: Scotlandville defensive back Kelvin Joseph, receiver Ja'Marr Chase from Rummel, Alabama quarterback James Foster and Florida cornerback Patrick Surtain.
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the fault is not getting Etienne in the class before it filled up. That is all you need to know.
Sounds like Orgeron should have gotten Goodrich into the class sooner. I guess that's all we need to know.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:21 pm to Lester Earl
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Coach Ed Orgeron had a backup plan, too, if needed in Missouri cornerback Mario Goodrich.
quote: The wrench in the plan: When Surtain snubbed LSU for Alabama, Orgeron’s backup plan had already made his commitment to Clemson.
Yeah, lets talk about that master plan from your boy
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:21 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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You must be a fatass dude from all the cake you like to have and eat too on this board
It's hilarious that he thinks this isn't noticed by every regular poster here.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:23 pm to Lester Earl
Fair enough, sounds like Orgeron’s mistake was not finding room for Goodrich sooner.
From that article, sounds like Goodrich wanted to commit, but Orgeron wouldn’t accept his commitment because he wanted to holdout for the higher rated player.
It’s almost like this has happened before.
From that article, sounds like Goodrich wanted to commit, but Orgeron wouldn’t accept his commitment because he wanted to holdout for the higher rated player.
It’s almost like this has happened before.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:26 pm to Tiger Ree
Dereck: aka Derek, Ree, Tillmanscorner, etc.: I do not think this clears anything up. It looks like a classic case of Scapegoating and Logical Fallacy:
A: Etienne is a great RB at 2x CFP NC Clemson where they develop players, and have cutting edge Offensive Scheme/Game Planning/Coaching to best showcase his Talent. They are #4 in Scoring Offense, #10 in Rushing. Their lethal 8th ranked passing attack opens up the run.
B: Etienne could be put into any Scheme or Offense, Plug&Play, and do just as well, even at LSU where our Scoring Offense is 38th at 32.4 pts/gm, Rushing Offense 59th, and our Passing Offense 88th. But hey we are #2 in FGs.
C: Because he is a Game Changer there he would be a Game Changer here. His performance would be the same? No.
D: All of this was apparent from his HS junior yr film. It was like Fisher says I don't see the player he is, I see the player I know I can Coach them to be.
quote:Scapegoating is beneath the Office of Special Asst. to Head Coach, so we can rule that out.
He is talking about Les Miles.
"Derek Ponamsky joined the LSU football staff in September 2016 as Special Assistant to Head Coach Ed Orgeron". Were you eligible before then? Not legally? But you had the Binder ready?
"Ponamsky’s primary responsibilities include assisting Orgeron in the day to day organization and operation of his schedule as well as serving as the liaison to the administration."
Well, you were advising O&E and Alleva and giving game plans to Aranda, running LSU football, you and your Staff by your own account. So how the heck did you miss on Etienne?
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:30 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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about how Miles recruiting classes were overrated because they were loaded with skill guys and not enough trench guy
dont misrepresent what I said. Miles was an ace recruiter through most of his tenure. The last few left the roster thin and poorly constructed & not up the the standard he set early in his career.
I never have ever mentioned anything about loading up on skill guys and there not having enough trench guys because of that. Never once made that correlation. Find it and post it and i wont post here ever again.
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but you’re here saying he “royally fricked up” by not giving fully commitable offers to Akers, CEH, and TE.
yes im eating all the cake from the made up words you just posted
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:30 pm to SEC Grapevine
This dude goes HAM
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:33 pm to Lester Earl
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I never have ever mentioned anything about loading up on skill guys and there not having enough trench guys because of that
You know many others have said that.
Maybe you personally haven’t said it in those exact words, I don’t GAF enough to look, but please explain what you mean by this:
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left the roster thin and poorly constructed
TIA
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:35 pm to UpToPar
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Apparently Orgeron didn't like him either. Orgeron was named interim coach in September. LSU didn't offer Etienne until December 27.
I doubt Orgeron had much time to look at recruits during the season. Don't deflect blame from Miles, he had several seasons to evaluate Travis' ability. Orgeron had, at best a month. And I'm sure there were a lot of other recruits he was looking at during that time.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:35 pm to Lester Earl
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I never have ever mentioned anything about loading up on skill guys and there not having enough trench guys because of that. Never once made that correlation. Find it and post it and i wont post here ever again.
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The last few left the roster thin and poorly constructed
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:36 pm to Tigers eyes
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Don't deflect blame from Miles, he had several seasons to evaluate Travis' ability. Orgeron had, at best a month.
Orgeron was recruiting coordinator in 2015. He had more time to evaluate than anyone on the staff.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:38 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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You know many others have said that.
Maybe you personally haven’t said it in those exact words, I don’t GAF enough to look, b
well gosh darn that is mighty convenient.
this is why you'll always be a frick boi
Posted on 1/8/19 at 10:39 pm to Tigers eyes
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I doubt Orgeron had much time to look at recruits during the season. Don't deflect blame from Miles, he had several seasons to evaluate Travis' ability. Orgeron had, at best a month. And I'm sure there were a lot of other recruits he was looking at during that time.
So you’re saying the dude brought on specifically to recruit in two years before TE signed and became recruiting coordinator a year before he signed “didn’t have time” to look at recruits but the HC at the time with all of his other responsibilities should have???
Welcome, please join in and agree with Lester Earl and Ree and bencoleman more often
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