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re: Just a little news from the GT practice front
Posted on 12/15/08 at 11:22 pm to moneyg
Posted on 12/15/08 at 11:22 pm to moneyg
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Run and shoot from the flexbone? Now, that's something I'd like to see.
See Ga Southern/Hawaii film from when Johnson was OC at them. Not as much as HC at GSU or at all at Navy.
Also, Tiger Ellison's original run and shoot was from a formation very, very similar to the flexbone. Two WRs, two slotbacks, QB under center, 1 running back is standard original run and shoot formation. The flexbone slotbacks are a little tighter probably, but not much. The original (pre Mouse Davis) run and shoot was a run first offense, hence the name. If the D overloaded the box, the QB checked into a "shoot" play.
Davis was responsible for moving the QB back into the shotgun and making it a pass first offense.
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Posted on 12/15/08 at 11:42 pm to gtne91
Well, that sounds great.
That's exactly what I had in mind for this game.
Georgia Tech= pass first offense.
I'll take my chances.
That's exactly what I had in mind for this game.
Georgia Tech= pass first offense.
I'll take my chances.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 12:04 am to moneyg
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Run and shoot from the flexbone? Now, that's something I'd like to see.
A lot of people assume the "flexbone" evolved from the wishbone. But it didn't. At least, Johnson's version didn't -- but there are other versions. Here's what I've been able to piece together about the evolution of modern flexbone (a name PJ dislikes and doesn't use -- he's called it the spread for 20+ years).
PJ's offense came about in 1985 at Georgia Southern, which had run the 'Shoot from double-slot in 84. Erk Russell wanted to run the ball more, and PJ in his first year as OC convinced Erk to let him put option packages into the double-slot rather than installing the I. The slots moved in to run the ball better and that made it the flexbone.
Similar formations emerged two other ways: from the wishbone at Air Force under Ken Hatfield, and from the Wing-T in various southern HS's and small colleges.
And then inevitably they all influenced each other and they've continued to merge together. Johnson runs rocket toss and rocket motion plays that came from the wing-T guys. Air Force and Rices' line splits got bigger under Hatfield and DeBerry. Option got added into the Wing-T to make the Wofford Wingbone.
One difference that still shows the Run and Shoot roots of PJ's version is that he has never used tight ends. He's never even carried a TE on the roster. The other variants of the flexbone/wingbone all do use TE's at least sometimes.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 12:24 am to wahoocs
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That's exactly what I had in mind for this game.
Georgia Tech= pass first offense.
BTW, you will never make GT a pass first offense. Johnson is stubborn and patient and he flat out won't abandon the run, no matter what you do, even if you've stopped it cold all game.
Stacking the box with 8 or 9 guys is nothing new. At Navy every week he faced much bigger and faster teams that stacked the box with 8 or 9 guys, and he still ran the ball on them. Usually pretty effectively.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 7:29 am to GoldenTornado
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Stacking the box with 8 or 9 guys is nothing new. At Navy every week he faced much bigger and faster teams that stacked the box with 8 or 9 guys, and he still ran the ball on them. Usually pretty effectively.
They will see, GT, they will see. This is exactly what FSU, Miami and UGAg tried to do, except Miami came up with that inane 'tackle them high" stuff. 8 and 9 in the box, inevitably leads to very LONG runs from scrimmage.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 7:58 am to stinger78
It will be a nice win for Ga Tech.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 8:01 am to lsujp7
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i hope yall run that formation cause i have seen yall try 2 throw and ur passing is terrible
Rick Clausen could pass against our defense. What have you seen from Mallveto that gives you confidence that we can stop any passing attack.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 8:08 am to stinger78
LSU fans
Read the other post on this board with "Run and shoot" in the title for a better understanding of what Coach PJ is talking about. It was started earlier and has a lot of interesting back and forth.
In short...all plays are run out of the same formation essentially...including TO, R&S, Toss sweep, etc. It is a good read I think with some good input from multiple people.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 12/16/08 at 8:24 am to stinger78
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A little extra surprise for the Tigers in the Peach Bowl
I think that PJ saw LSU's 81'st ranking in the NCAA against the pass and thought...hmmm...maybe we can start our passing game against this team. Why not? If Awbarn could find wide open receivers against them...I'm sure we can, too.
I think he's probably on to something.
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