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re: jordan jefferson and you idiots

Posted on 11/23/09 at 5:22 am to
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
9925 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 5:22 am to
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sometimes the coaches set JJ up for failure.


That they do, but those two fades that he threw were absolutely beautiful. He did what he could, but you can only expect so much with the same call being made in repetition.

See the game against Arkansas (can't remember, but I think it was '07) where we had several TDs on the weak side slant. Ate them up with it, but every time it got closer. Just so happens that if you call something repetitively, the other team can see the pattern. In that case, we all know it got picked in OT and lost us the game.

It's an OC/O-line problem. I haven't seen anything consistently enough to say run the QB coach out of town.
Posted by Polycarp
Texas
Member since Feb 2009
5723 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 5:46 am to
My message to JJ, step up in the pocket-step up in the pocket
Posted by Lacour
Member since Nov 2009
32949 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 6:28 am to
Jefferson is ten, nay 100 times the quarterback Lee is.

Lee as the full time starter. . . shudder. . . let us not think of it.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
33791 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 6:35 am to
uhm.. a ten year old qb knows to throw the ball and not take the sack....

a ten year old qb knows to call a timeout... instead of letting 17 seconds run off the clock..


a ten year old qb knows you can only run one play with one or two seconds left on the clock...
Posted by PRIDGENTIGER
TN
Member since Jan 2006
828 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:26 am to
You are an idoit. Why the hell did anybody else call the timeout. He was told to spike it. I saw in the other thread where u said JJ wasn't smart enough to play qb i bet your coward bitch arse wouldnt have the balls to say that to his face.you are sounding like a racist. I don't throw that word out there but you are sounding just like one. Stop bieng ignorant and blaming JJ for letting the clock run out
Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
4102 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:29 am to
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To be fair, he hasn't gotten much protection this year.


At least not in this game when the O-line knew he had a bum ankle. It seemed in the second-half one of the defensive tackles was using our guard and center as some sort of turn-style at will.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:35 am to
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All i hear from other fanbases is how jj will be a stud with another yr.

Other fan bases also want us to keep Les Miles. Other fan bases LIKE to see us fail.
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I would say he is a damn good first yr starter in the best defensive league in cfb.

I would say you should have been watching LSU this year instead of whoever you were watching.
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You people are idiots if you cant see improvement from our qb position over the season.

No, an idiot is someone who does the same thing over and over again with the same terrible results and keeps on doing it. You know, like Jordan Jefferson.

Look, you are obviously a friend of his, and I'm sure he's a nice enough guy and I appreciate his efforts to help our football team. But the painful and simple truth is that the kid just hasn't got it mentally to be a quarterback. It's not his fault, and he certainly hasn't received any coaching to help minimize the problem of his lack of intelligence, but the bottom line is that he just isn't very smart and will never be a very good quarterback.
Posted by PRIDGENTIGER
TN
Member since Jan 2006
828 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:35 am to
a ten year old can tell you're an idiot and a racist. Let me guess j russel was a shitty qb to and rohan was overrated
Posted by silstang23
Bossier City, LA
Member since Oct 2007
4961 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:37 am to
JJ is second in the SEC in passing efficiency.
Posted by yaherrdme
The Place to Be
Member since Feb 2004
5886 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:53 am to
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He has 1 yr of exp.


Last week I started looking up to see who was using a Soph QB in the top 10.. and I stopped at Boise, they have a RS Soph..

I dont have time right now.. but out of curiosity I would like to know Who is the youngest QB in the top 25?
Posted by TigerHax
Red Stick
Member since Nov 2008
598 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:56 am to
JJ doesn't look comfortable because he lacks the frickING COACHING.....QB coach is CROWTON and we all know CROWTON sucks donk
Posted by mt1
LV
Member since Nov 2006
7663 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:59 am to
I will give the kid a break, he has some things going against him.

That being said, JJ runs the option like I dance. His timing is definitely off.
Posted by The1TrueTiger
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Member since Apr 2009
2487 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:08 am to
I think JJ has done fairly well considering he's the youngest starting QB in the SEC. There are some things he needs to work on like running the option and pocket awarness. I have to question who is overseeing his development.
Posted by sec417r39
Member since Oct 2009
665 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:09 am to
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a ten year old can tell you're an idiot and a racist. Let me guess j russel was a shitty qb to and rohan was overrated

Actually this is true. Jamarcus was overrated. He gets benched this week and the Raiders beat the Bengals(one of the best teams in football this year). This guy is not being racist he is just saying that he is not a good enough quarterback. KNOW what being racist is. It is discrimination based on racial qualities. Not one time did he mention that he was black. And well we see where rohan is...?? Get your head out of Jeffersons butt and realize he wont cut it in the SEC or NFL for that fact.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49062 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:20 am to
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sometimes the coaches set JJ up for failure.


Despite having a QB with a bum wheel that can't get out of the pocket, calling a play with all three receivers running 25 yards deep with no drop off routes from a TE or RB when Ole Miss has been blitzing eight every play?

Yeah, JJ isn't our problem. To put it very simply, our coaches do not put our players in a position to succeed.
Posted by purple passion
Feliciana Hills
Member since Nov 2006
667 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:21 am to
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I have to question who is overseeing his development.


Exactly, part of the offensive staff changes needed, IMHO.

I think Miles will make the necessary changes after the season, JJ will become a GREAT QB next year, defense will keep improving, and we will challenge for the SEC Champ and maybe even the BCS title.

Please stop bellyaching you spoiled, whining, crybaby, so-called LSU fans. It is embarrassing for all the real fans who want to stay positive and help this team fight like Tigers and finish 10-3.

Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:24 am to
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My message to JJ, step up in the pocket-step up in the pocket


well he couldn't really do that against ole miss since they were sending 2 up the middle every play, usually with 1 not getting touched

personally, I think it was one of the toughest performances i've seen by a LSU player in some time. He's playing hurt, Ole Miss is blitzing every play, and he delivered the ball those last 2 drives while being put on his back over and over again. Tom Brady doesn't look comfortable when he gets hit, and he has never been hit as much as JJ did last game
This post was edited on 11/23/09 at 10:28 am
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:25 am to
Coaching is terrible. The talent is there.

Lsu needs a qb coach, or a OC who can develop a QB. Crowton is not the answer.

Maybe I'm imagining, but im pretty sure that lsu had roughly 45 yards of rushing.

This reminds me of 2006 all over again.

No run game until late in the year, and Jamarcus was asked to win games. Jefferson Is trying, but he shouldn't have been asked to throw four straight times on the 30 of that game.

That's bad coaching. Run ridley 3 times up the middle, and kick the fg.

Very frustrating.
Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
4102 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:42 am to
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No, an idiot is someone who does the same thing over and over again with the same terrible results and keeps on doing it. You know, like Jordan Jefferson. Look, you are obviously a friend of his, and I'm sure he's a nice enough guy and I appreciate his efforts to help our football team. But the painful and simple truth is that the kid just hasn't got it mentally to be a quarterback. It's not his fault, and he certainly hasn't received any coaching to help minimize the problem of his lack of intelligence, but the bottom line is that he just isn't very smart and will never be a very good quarterback.

I am not a friend of his and it is ridiculous to run down a 1st year starter and challenge his intellect in a complicated system where not even the wide receivers know how to get lined up in some of these formations.

Jordan Jefferson accounted for 2 TDs in the game with a bad ankle and he's the deficient one? 450 yards given up by the defense and silence from you. WRs dropping passes and silence from you. How did the running game contribute to the game? Did we have any rushing TDs? Ole Miss did and won. Snead did not throw one TD pass and we lost, but it was because they had a running game.

We lost to Alabama because they ran more effectively in the second-half than we did and they were committed to it. We also gave up 450 yards in that game, but no talk about the defense. We have young guys on the d-line (with ineffective veterans Nevis and Alexander; Al Woods seems to be much better but less experienced), o-line, and at QB. We have inexperience at LB (no-returning starters at the position; Coleman was a safety last year). The QB was the bright spot, but that's where you begin. We've used two years trying to bring along inexperienced QBs and not effectively relying on experienced running backs enough. The run game in football is always easier to execute than the passing game for a team with a young QB, even going against veteran QBs (McElroy and Tebow), both teams recognized the running game as the key to victory. But not us. JJ is the least of the issues with everything I just outlined. But this is a young team that will get better. Last year we were underserved by a veteran defensive line that simply didn't live up to expectations. They decided to work on technique rather that use what got them noticed in the first place during the championship run. It led to fewer sacks and pressure and high completion percentages for opponents. Chavis is just starting to be able to recruit defensive players and we have to let our QBs grow up. They have the talent just not the level of confidence needed with so much being thrown at them. This is just not our time, but it is coming fast.

As far a game management that must improve by Les Miles and he must trust his better judgment and not defer to Crowton. If Crowton does leave we will suffer another setback at the QB position if we don't keep the same playbook. It doesn't matter if he leaves as long as the book remains and the play-calling changes based on the situation to give us better game management. If the terminology changes that will introduce a new learning curve for the offensive line, running backs, QBs, and receivers. I personally just want to see them run more and pass when needed.
This post was edited on 11/23/09 at 10:59 am
Posted by bomber77
Member since Aug 2008
14783 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:54 am to
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I wish they'd completely scrap that entire section of the playbook. It makes my blood pressure go sky high every time I see us run it for a 2 yard loss.


Ridley has run the option twice, both for good results. 15 yard TD against Tulane and about 11 yards this week at Ole Miss.
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