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re: Johnny Jones is better than LSU fans think
Posted on 2/11/15 at 8:40 am to RedTigerRulz
Posted on 2/11/15 at 8:40 am to RedTigerRulz
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your missing the point. We shouldn't have lost by 2...or any number. We should have won the game, if not for a total collapse and brain fart on the part of the coaching staff (again) in the last few minutes.
We didn't get blown out. We did lose to one of the best UK teams of all time though by 2.
The best part is, these kids didn't give up. We trailed 13 points and it felt over but then something happened and LSU went crazy.
That scoring run was the most impressive few mins of basketball they have played in years. They showed us they have something, they just didn't finish.
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 8:56 am to tigerfoot
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I thought Jones did his best coaching ever in the second half on the defensive side of the ball. I don't have any basketball knowledge...but something was giving Ky fits for the better part of the second half.
I agree to an extent, but don't forget that Musselman is in charge of the defense
Posted on 2/11/15 at 8:58 am to la_birdman
quote:The fact that we lost by 2, by playing solid basketball and not getting lucky, is the reason Jones sucks. Because that team I saw last night, with the energy and talent, has no fricking excuse losing to Mizzou, Auburn, Miss St, A&m. That is why last night proved Jones sucks
I'm really proud of the Tigers. I thought they were going to pull it out but Kentucky has so much depth. It's a pro team that's still in college.
We lost by 2. 2! Nothing to feel bad about at all.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:03 am to tadelatt
"The play was a simple pick and roll but Mickey was lazy and basically didn't even run the play."
I agree, if you know the intricacies of the game at all you see this scenario play out over and over. Setting a good hard screen and the rolling to get open are popping out to get a shot isn't that hard to execute. We at times do it well and unfortunately at crucial times don't. But it does come back to teaching and motivating the players to strive to be perfect on their quest to victory ......
I agree, if you know the intricacies of the game at all you see this scenario play out over and over. Setting a good hard screen and the rolling to get open are popping out to get a shot isn't that hard to execute. We at times do it well and unfortunately at crucial times don't. But it does come back to teaching and motivating the players to strive to be perfect on their quest to victory ......
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:13 am to redfish99
If Martin and Mickey stay, next year he may accomplish goals no other coach in LSU history has achieved. :jump2: He did beat UK last year and may beat them again either in the SEC or NCAA tournaments. Patience young Jedi. The best is yet to come. Rome wasn't built in a day, week, month or year.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:16 am to lsupride87
The lemmings on this site are unbelievable...they just keep repeating the same untrue crap they have read here before without any original thought.
First of all, A&M is not a bad team...saying that was a bad loss is asinine.
Secondly, we had 0 turnovers on inbounds plays...so throwing that around about tonight is stupid.
Bottom line is we have very little depth and it is killing us. Martin and Mickey were worn out because they played virtually the entire game. Gray gets minutes he shouldn't because we have limited options at the point. Gray was the reason we lost that game...He is undisciplined and doesn't understamd situations or his limitations...
If you want to blame JJ for the lack of depth, that's fair...saying he is a bad coach is idiotic.
First of all, A&M is not a bad team...saying that was a bad loss is asinine.
Secondly, we had 0 turnovers on inbounds plays...so throwing that around about tonight is stupid.
Bottom line is we have very little depth and it is killing us. Martin and Mickey were worn out because they played virtually the entire game. Gray gets minutes he shouldn't because we have limited options at the point. Gray was the reason we lost that game...He is undisciplined and doesn't understamd situations or his limitations...
If you want to blame JJ for the lack of depth, that's fair...saying he is a bad coach is idiotic.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:21 am to TigerRoad
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If Martin and Mickey stay, next year he may accomplish goals no other coach in LSU history has achieved. He did beat UK last year and may beat them again either in the SEC or NCAA tournaments. Patience young Jedi. The best is yet to come. Rome wasn't built in a day, week, month or year.
This.
We only played 6 players for most of the night and had a chance to win. We've been going down to the last second vs UK since coach Jones has been here. If Mickey and Martin comes back, we'll have the depth and talent to compete with teams like Duke, Arizona, Kansas, and Kentucky next year. Fans need to be patient.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:31 am to thekid
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Gray was the reason we lost that game
How do you figure that? Gray played some huge minutes last night and was part of the reason we were so close. Certainly not the reason we lost.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:36 am to thekid
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Bottom line is we have very little depth and it is killing us. Martin and Mickey were worn out because they played virtually the entire game.
Please stop with the fatigue excuse.
Yes, I realize we're not as deep as we'd like to be, but it's not like we frantically press all game long. There are plenty of game stoppages (with TV timeouts every 4 minutes). These are 20 year old guys in great shape - they can play.
I realize if our guys play all 40 minutes, they'll be tired at the end. But this isn't football. Guys can play 40 minutes and still have something left in the tank. Is it ideal - no. But let's stop using this as an excuse.
Also, whose fault is it that we're not deep? JJ has had three recruiting classes. If the depth isn't there, there's only one place to put the blame.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:46 am to atltiger6487
quote:If you play 38 or 39 minutes in a game it will be a factor. Or do you think that Coach Jones is smarter than any other coach in D-1 basketball? Because he uses his bench less than any other team and plays his starters more minutes.
Please stop with the fatigue excuse.
Yes, I realize we're not as deep as we'd like to be, but it's not like we frantically press all game long. There are plenty of game stoppages (with TV timeouts every 4 minutes). These are 20 year old guys in great shape - they can play.
I realize if our guys play all 40 minutes, they'll be tired at the end. But this isn't football. Guys can play 40 minutes and still have something left in the tank. Is it ideal - no. But let's stop using this as an excuse.
Also, whose fault is it that we're not deep? JJ has had three recruiting classes. If the depth isn't there, there's only one place to put the blame.
We didn't lose our lead in the few minutes that Malone came on the court in the first half.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:48 am to atltiger6487
Kentucky has two starting lineups full of players that were there last year and sucked for most of the year, especially their big men.
Let's hope we can get another year out of our big guys and this team will be night and day with improved PG play.
Great game. Proud of this team and the CJJ.
Let's hope we can get another year out of our big guys and this team will be night and day with improved PG play.
Great game. Proud of this team and the CJJ.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:56 am to thekid
quote:Did you watch the game? It was a terrible loss
saying that was a bad loss is asinine
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:47 am to tadelatt
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Johnny Jones is better than LSU fans think
That's not surprising since some seem to think our NC baseball coach doesn't know how many strikes a batter gets and our NC football coach doesn't know how many downs we get to make a 1st. That's a little over the top, but so are some of our "the sky is falling" type fans.
While no one should discount what coaching ability brings to sports, games are largely won by execution.
It was a disappointing L, but it was also a very good player/coaching effort vs. a more talented team and a much more successful basketball program.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:02 am to atltiger6487
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JJ has had three recruiting classes
You can't count his first class where he only had one month to recruit players after taking the job and he still put together a class of Coleman, Carmouche, Hammink and Corban Collins. Trent left the program with 5 scholarship players and 1 signee.
He has only had two full recruiting classes and basically everyone on this roster are from those two classes. The only two scholarship players on the roster not from the last two classes are Hornsby and Odo because they are transfers. CJJ has had to completely rebuild the roster and when you have to bring in the volume of players CJJ has had to you are going to swing and miss on some leading to a lack of depth.
But don't let facts get in the way of your argument. I bet you are one of those morons that think Trent Johnson is still a "good coach."
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:22 am to BigOrangeWave
Gray drove the lane 3-4 times with no situational awareness and no shot of scoring with KY's front. Just because you beat your man doesn't mean you should drive that deep...he also didn't execute the offense at critical times in the last few minutes of the game...
Quarterman didn't score, Patterson was off so you can lay some blame on them but gray seemed to be the person who caused the most unproductive possessions at the most critical times.
Quarterman didn't score, Patterson was off so you can lay some blame on them but gray seemed to be the person who caused the most unproductive possessions at the most critical times.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:36 am to atltiger6487
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Please stop with the fatigue excuse.
Yes, I realize we're not as deep as we'd like to be, but it's not like we frantically press all game long. There are plenty of game stoppages (with TV timeouts every 4 minutes). These are 20 year old guys in great shape - they can play.
I realize if our guys play all 40 minutes, they'll be tired at the end. But this isn't football. Guys can play 40 minutes and still have something left in the tank. Is it ideal - no. But let's stop using this as an excuse.
Also, whose fault is it that we're not deep? JJ has had three recruiting classes. If the depth isn't there, there's only one place to put the blame.
That is just ignant. We have 4 players who rank in the top 10 in ave min/game in the SEC. The bottom line is we do not have enough depth or guardplay to compete today. No one is saying that our lack of depth is anyone's fault but JJ's but to say fatigue isn't a problem is pretty ignorant. JJ is responsible for the lack of depth but for me personally since with every coach there are benefits and liabilities and this coach's benefits will only continue to surpass his liabilities. Since Dale left, we have had talent that would actually pay to see about every four years and Johnny is filling that talent consistency void in a big way every year improving. In two-three years we will have real talent on the court year in and year out and that will change everyone's tune about LSU BBall.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:40 am to atltiger6487
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Yes, I realize we're not as deep as we'd like to be, but it's not like we frantically press all game long.
Very few teams are as deep as UK. Can't blame that one on CJJ.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:20 pm to lsunutz
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LSU couldn't even miss shots because they were turning the ball over and taking poor drives to the lane.
LSU had 9 total turnovers. That is very good.
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:34 pm to NickyT
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So why did he give the ball to Gray after calling a timeout with 5 seconds left on the shot clock and allowed one of the best defenses in the country to set?
Gray was never an option. The play went into action immediately as the ball is inbounded. It was actually a very smart move because you start Mickey on a screen right after he passes to Gray. It throws the defense off as opposed to a set off an inbound. Kentucky just played it perfectly and forced LSU to take the shot it didn't want
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 2/11/15 at 1:04 pm to tadelatt
we were up with 4 minutes to go, then we proceed to not score again. Johnny has to do a better job of gaining control. He also lacks awareness of how to use time outs. He took one with 5 seconds on the shot clock, 1. knowing we have no inbounds play. 2 that the ball was going to be near half court, result? we don't get a shot off. either call the time out with 10 seconds left or let the play just go.
Jones is a great recruiter, seems to be decent motivator when it is a big game. He however lacks great x and o, game awareness, and ability to work the refs.
Jones is a great recruiter, seems to be decent motivator when it is a big game. He however lacks great x and o, game awareness, and ability to work the refs.
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