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Posted on 9/26/10 at 9:43 pm to RobbBobb
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- Called out a freshman WR, after he made a mistake.
He's trying to be a leader, and that's what leaders do.
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- Had TT on what should have been a deep TD, which was underthrown and almost picked
Looked pretty similar to almost every deep ball I've ever seen him throw. He's just not good at that at all.
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never had his number called on 4 tries at the goal line. Says no confidence to me
They weren't stopping us so why not keep pounding it down on the goal line? JJ does plenty of wrong, you don't have to try to dream up random shite to criticize him for. The playcalling reflects the confidence they have in JJ, which stems directly from JJ's play. But that has little to do with using the strength of your offense to pound the ball into the endzone inside the 10 yard line against a smaller defense.
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Calls his own number way too much on the option, racking up a 2.1 ypc avg
Through 3 quarters he's made the right decision on the option every time. He kept it when they played the pitch, and pitched it when they played him. They don't execute the option real well, but the problem isn't JJ's decision making on whether to keep it or not; at least not this game. They've run the lead option about 5 times in this game, and, while they didn't get a lot of yards, it was the best I've seen JJ run it so far in his career at LSU. He attacked the force and made quick decisions and made the right decisions. He is still too slow on the pitch when he pitches it, but give credit where credit is due. He has improved with the lead option. Not one time tonight did you see him run down the line of scrimmage looking for a hole and then take it out of bounds or pitch it to a RB who has no room left to run, like he has for the past year and a half.
This post was edited on 9/26/10 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 9/26/10 at 10:51 pm to Raz
After watching the whole game again, I feel a lot better. JJ played MUCH better than the first 3 games. Not saying he's great or even good, but if he plays like that the rest of the way, we will be fine. Statistically he had a really bad game, but if you look at the actual plays, throws, and situations he was in (see edited original post), he did well.
For the most part he was accurate with his passes. He had a handful of bad throws and a handful of bad decisions throwing the ball, but he played good enough to be that "game management" quarterback that is all we are asking for.
He's not a good enough quarterback to be able to have a lot of success in 3rd and long situations. Stupid penalties and dropped balls (that were very catchable) had the down and distance working against us all night.
All that said, if we only committed half of our 12 penalties for 120 yards, and WRs dropped only half of the catchable passes that they dropped, and JJ makes 1-2 fewer mental errors and 1-2 fewer bad passes... then we are all chatting with coworkers tomorrow about how JJ is starting to come around and the offense is starting to click and looking forward to Saturday with a lot more enthusiasm.
All I'm saying is that:
a) JJ has improved and deserves some credit for that
b) JJ is getting too much of the blame for the offensive woes against WVU.
c) Les Miles is going to come out Wednesday and say his QB played well and if it wasn't for penalties and some drops they would have had a much more productive offensive game.
and d) When Les Miles says that the fans in this town are going to lynch him, even though he's right.
For the most part he was accurate with his passes. He had a handful of bad throws and a handful of bad decisions throwing the ball, but he played good enough to be that "game management" quarterback that is all we are asking for.
He's not a good enough quarterback to be able to have a lot of success in 3rd and long situations. Stupid penalties and dropped balls (that were very catchable) had the down and distance working against us all night.
All that said, if we only committed half of our 12 penalties for 120 yards, and WRs dropped only half of the catchable passes that they dropped, and JJ makes 1-2 fewer mental errors and 1-2 fewer bad passes... then we are all chatting with coworkers tomorrow about how JJ is starting to come around and the offense is starting to click and looking forward to Saturday with a lot more enthusiasm.
All I'm saying is that:
a) JJ has improved and deserves some credit for that
b) JJ is getting too much of the blame for the offensive woes against WVU.
c) Les Miles is going to come out Wednesday and say his QB played well and if it wasn't for penalties and some drops they would have had a much more productive offensive game.
and d) When Les Miles says that the fans in this town are going to lynch him, even though he's right.
Posted on 9/26/10 at 10:53 pm to bmy
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He started well and finished..
Its kind of his M.O. Good drive in the first quarter/half and then things get worse in the second.
Posted on 9/26/10 at 10:54 pm to BT
5 completions in 3 QTRS
Posted on 9/26/10 at 10:54 pm to Raz
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JJ hesitates on the pass and gets sacked for a 7 yard loss. Mostly JJ's fault for not getting rid of it, but it wasn't *terrible*.
I stopped after this BS since it became apparent this was completely biased..
DID YOU JUST frickING MISS THAT Tolliver was WIIIIIIIIIIIIDE OPEN and JJ just stared at him??
Posted on 9/26/10 at 10:55 pm to Raz
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JJ played MUCH better than the first 3 games
What the frick are you smoking?
Did you include the 4 EASY INTS in your drivel? You know that the commentators even mentioned how they missed that INT??
This post was edited on 9/26/10 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 9/26/10 at 10:58 pm to Catman88
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I stopped after this BS since it became apparent this was completely biased..
Reading comprehension: it's not a crime. I said he hesitated, and I said it was his fault.
Posted on 9/26/10 at 11:02 pm to Raz
There is a difference between hesitation and staring at the guy and NEVER doing anything.. Hesitation would imply that he tried..
Tolliver was literally open by 10+ yards he was also open so fricking long that everyone in the south endzone with the same view as JJ was yelling at him to throw to Tolliver. It was as easy an 80 yard TD you could have. Instead he just kept staring at him.. You said MOSTLY his fault.. WRONG it was 100% his fault..
And how do you just excuse the 4 dropped INTs by WVU that was thrown right to them?
Saying that he had a better game than his first three just signed you up for my dumbest fricking poster award
Tolliver was literally open by 10+ yards he was also open so fricking long that everyone in the south endzone with the same view as JJ was yelling at him to throw to Tolliver. It was as easy an 80 yard TD you could have. Instead he just kept staring at him.. You said MOSTLY his fault.. WRONG it was 100% his fault..
And how do you just excuse the 4 dropped INTs by WVU that was thrown right to them?
Saying that he had a better game than his first three just signed you up for my dumbest fricking poster award
This post was edited on 9/26/10 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 9/26/10 at 11:05 pm to Catman88
Actually, the correct part to stop on was when he says the blitz got to him.
It was the NG running the same stunt that Vanderbilt did.
We could probably navigate the majority of JJ's shortcomings, but the timing of his decision making in addition to his prolonged delivery, are too much to overcome.
The only conclusion I can draw from the fact that we run four yard routes when we need 7+ yards is that it takes too long for the receivers to gain enough clearance downfield to pass the marker, in order for JJ to pull the trigger.
It was the NG running the same stunt that Vanderbilt did.
We could probably navigate the majority of JJ's shortcomings, but the timing of his decision making in addition to his prolonged delivery, are too much to overcome.
The only conclusion I can draw from the fact that we run four yard routes when we need 7+ yards is that it takes too long for the receivers to gain enough clearance downfield to pass the marker, in order for JJ to pull the trigger.
Posted on 9/26/10 at 11:12 pm to Raz
Congrats you made my new sig quote which I last changed over a year ago because rarely does something so stupid ever get uttered where I care.
Posted on 9/26/10 at 11:19 pm to therocketscientist
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cherry picking.
I don't think this phrase means what you think it means.
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what a weak thing to do.
Unsure what you mean by that. I thought the OP gave a reasonable analysis of every throw. Fair and balanced, overall.
Posted on 9/26/10 at 11:24 pm to Raz
Dude, JJ is freaking turrible!!!!
I have no idea what would make you think he's playing well other than being obviously biased or stoned out of your mind.
I have no idea what would make you think he's playing well other than being obviously biased or stoned out of your mind.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 12:19 am to grif82
Raz, you could not have honestly been at the game could you? That is the only reason I could see you claiming his choices were acceptable. RR and TT were raping the WVU secondary all night and JJ stood there like a lost tourist until he dumped it off to a RB or took a sack or ran out of bounds.
I have been in support of giving JJ time, until this week. Maybe it is because this is the first game I was able to attend and see the full field for myself. It is crazy how open these guys are at times. The frustration in the team is building fast. If there is nothing done soon we will have a team implode on us and then we can talk about how accurate the pass was to TT in the Indy bowl.
I have been in support of giving JJ time, until this week. Maybe it is because this is the first game I was able to attend and see the full field for myself. It is crazy how open these guys are at times. The frustration in the team is building fast. If there is nothing done soon we will have a team implode on us and then we can talk about how accurate the pass was to TT in the Indy bowl.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 12:50 am to grif82
He's our QB so of course there's a bias. Why is that such a bad thing? We all know JJ isn't a world beater. What good is it to whine about? It is what it is.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 1:17 am to Raz
1. did you seriously just waste your time typing that or did you copy & paste it from somewhere?
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This might be the biggest hack job of your idiotic rant. There was NOTHING good about that pass!
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4. If you think 10-22 for 74 yards and 2 ints is acceptable then you don't know anything about football and you need to pull your head out of JJs arse
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JJ throws a pick trying to force it in to Peterson. The throw was accurate, but the decision to make the throw was horrible.
This might be the biggest hack job of your idiotic rant. There was NOTHING good about that pass!
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quote:I am starting to believe you are just being sarcastic. Manning up?!? Seriously? He was screaming at his freshman wide receiver and was trying to make his receivers look bad screaming at them and acting like a punk.
Kudos for manning up and taking responsibility.
4. If you think 10-22 for 74 yards and 2 ints is acceptable then you don't know anything about football and you need to pull your head out of JJs arse
Posted on 9/27/10 at 1:31 am to Raz
and just when I think you can't get any dumber you go and say this
You need to look at his stats for the first 4 games of the season. He is ranked dead last in almost every qb statistic in the SEC! Our offense is ranked higher than his YPG average and you come and say this! Navy has a higher rated qb right now passing and all they do is run the ball. Oh and to say JJ yelling at the freshman wide receivers shows he is being a leader is so unbelievably stupid its giving me a headache! Have you ever seen Drew Brees or any NFL qb scream at their rookie wide receivers in the middle of the field? No, because leaders don't do that. Desperate kids that want to try and make themselves look better do that shite!
/rant
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JJ has improved and deserves some credit for that
You need to look at his stats for the first 4 games of the season. He is ranked dead last in almost every qb statistic in the SEC! Our offense is ranked higher than his YPG average and you come and say this! Navy has a higher rated qb right now passing and all they do is run the ball. Oh and to say JJ yelling at the freshman wide receivers shows he is being a leader is so unbelievably stupid its giving me a headache! Have you ever seen Drew Brees or any NFL qb scream at their rookie wide receivers in the middle of the field? No, because leaders don't do that. Desperate kids that want to try and make themselves look better do that shite!
/rant
Posted on 9/27/10 at 9:13 pm to Tigerstudent08
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This might be the biggest hack job of your idiotic rant. There was NOTHING good about that pass!
Reading comprehension, it's not a crime. I said the throw was accurate (i.e. it went right to the WR), but the decision to make the throw was horrible (i.e. there was a defender in front of the WR).
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I am starting to believe you are just being sarcastic. Manning up?!? Seriously? He was screaming at his freshman wide receiver and was trying to make his receivers look bad screaming at them and acting like a punk.
You guys bitch about Miles not screaming at players who frick up, but when our QB does it, he's the bad guy?
The bottom line is this: he's trying to be a leader and that's the kind of thing that leaders do. quote:
4. If you think 10-22 for 74 yards and 2 ints is acceptable then you don't know anything about football
I love how I present you with unbiased data, and because it doesn't fit well with your *opinions*, then it means I don't know about football.
No JJ is not good. But, yes, he did improve from the first 3 games. You're whole argument is the overall game stats for JJ. My original post looks deeper into it, and that is the point of this thread. JJ isn't a good quarterback, and we put him in difficult situations all night thanks to drops and penalties. He threw good balls through 3 quarters of the game. Think about it like this: if you have a bad QB, and you put him in 3rd and 9+ all night, you're not going to have much success. On the other hand, if you have a bad QB, and you put him in 2nd and 5, and 3rd and short all night, you have a lot better chance at succeeding. His deep ball sucks, but he threw the short and intermediate routes pretty well. If we get the other mistakes cleared up on offense, that will be enough to allow us to move the chains, rest the D, control field position and score more points.
If we continue to run the ball well, don't commit so many stupid penalties on offense, WRs catch balls that hit them in the hands, and JJ throws like he did through 3 quarters against WVU, then I think our offense will be productive enough to win us a lot of ball games thanks to our D/ST.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 9:18 pm to Tigerstudent08
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Have you ever seen Drew Brees or any NFL qb scream at their rookie wide receivers in the middle of the field? No, because leaders don't do that. Desperate kids that want to try and make themselves look better do that shite!
I've seen Peyton Manning and Brett Favre yell at WRs for making mistakes. Are they not leaders?
You must be a new LSU fan, or else you would have seen the coach we had before Miles. I guess he isn't a leader either. Posted on 9/27/10 at 9:30 pm to Raz
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But, yes, he did improve from the first 3 games.
Compared to week 1, he threw for less yards, less (read ZERO) TDs, and more pics. Which part of that is better?
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