- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: JJ WVU game play-by-play analysis
Posted on 9/27/10 at 10:30 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 9/27/10 at 10:30 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
Compared to week 1, he threw for less yards, less (read ZERO) TDs, and more pics. Which part of that is better?
Man, some of you guys are so dense.
The box stats don't indicate the differences in circumstances between the games or the mistakes made by other players. You wouldn't be asking the question if you read my original post, but maybe you can try this: watch the game again and pay attention to the down & distance, the pass blocking, the throw, and the catch (or drop). If you do all that (or read the original post) you will see that JJ played much better than he has in the first 3 games, and that the offense as a whole performing worse was due in large part to mistakes made by other players.
2
Posted on 9/27/10 at 10:40 pm to Raz
quote:
Raz
the national sports media is calling our offense a laughing stock. Intentionally manipulating the perspective only calls in to question your intellect. Those guys make big bucks assessing the realities, which in turn affects public perceptions.
The nation now views our QB as a joke. Don't become one, in trying to change that reality
Posted on 9/27/10 at 10:44 pm to Raz
I'm so dense that every measurable worse than week 1, but somehow he improved?
You're comical.
You're comical.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 10:47 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
I'm so dense that every measurable worse than week 1, but somehow he improved?
Because throwing on 2nd and 5 is the same as throwing on 3rd and 12.
Learn the game.Posted on 9/27/10 at 10:51 pm to Raz
quote:
Learn the game.
Is skipping the ball on two consecutive throws part of the lesson plan? How about no TDs?
Posted on 9/27/10 at 10:57 pm to Raz
I have a problem with the throws he doesn't make. He never scans the field and never anticipates a WR getting open.
He has no feel for the position. He is a thrower, not a passer.
You can defend his stats this year.
He has no feel for the position. He is a thrower, not a passer.
You can defend his stats this year.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 10:58 pm to TIsuGGER
quote:
Those guys make big bucks assessing the realities, which in turn affects public perceptions.
The National Enquirer makes a lot of money, but that doesn't make them a model of journalistic integrity.
Chris Fowler isn't breaking down LSU games and analyzing each play so he can educate the masses of fans watching college gameday. He's looking at the box score and making a comment about the first stat that jumps out at him.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 11:00 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
Is skipping the ball on two consecutive throws part of the lesson plan?
No, but you learning how to read is. See below:
quote:
23rd pass: JJ play action pass to Shep on the seam route is incomplete. JJ had time, but underthrew the ball. Bad pass by JJ.
24th pass: (3rd and 10) JJ steps up in the pocket and throws incomplete to Randle. This was one of his worst passes of the night. Randle was open and JJ one-hopped it to him. LSU punts.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 11:02 pm to Raz
Then just answer me this: what is actually better from week 1? Up til now you've down nothing but skirt the question. Just give me something tangible. I'll hang up and listen.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 11:03 pm to Raz
The point of the OP analysis is simple guys: If everyone else on offense plays perfect and we get a couple of the negative things that happen as a result of QB play to go the other way, then JJ is good enough to give us a CHANCE to win the rest of the way. Oh, and the defense and ST have to continue to play at an elite level. Everyone picks up the QB and we are good to go!!!
Posted on 9/27/10 at 11:12 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
I'll hang up and listen.
Jordan certainly played a very quality and capable game Saturday.
quote:
Then just answer me this: what is actually better from week 1?
JJ's passes were more accurate in week 4 than week 1. The first few weeks I was melting down about our QB being unable to get the ball into our playmakers' hands. Last week, he did a much better job at that. We still had trouble with the passing game, but we were consistently put in situations that are more difficult to pass the ball effectively.
After bashing JJ for 3 weeks, I am happy to see some improvement. I think it's uncharacteristic for our WRs to drop the balls that they did, and uncharacteristic of our offense to have so many penalties. I think those things will improve and our offensive production will start to pick up. If that's not tangible enough, take a few seconds and skim over my original post. I took the time to comment on each pass that JJ threw and whether it was an accurate ball or not.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 11:14 pm to Raz
I want you to ask TT, CT, SR, RS, or DP if they feel the same as you do about JJ.
I have a sneaky suspicion you might not like the answer you so aptly desire.
I have a sneaky suspicion you might not like the answer you so aptly desire.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 11:17 pm to skullhawk
quote:
I have a problem with the throws he doesn't make. He never scans the field and never anticipates a WR getting open.
He has no feel for the position. He is a thrower, not a passer.
You can defend his stats this year.
Apparently Raz, Les, and JJ himself are the only ones that think JJ played well this past Saturday.
Raz re-watches and dissects the game on CST and thinks that gives him the whole picture of his performance. Then he make believes that other QBs in CFB don't have WRs that drop passes and OLinemen that make penalties.
What he doesn't see is his lack of being able to make quick decisions and see Randle and Tolliver running wide open all night. This can only be seen if you were at the game or if you are able to watch actual game film.
Maybe Raz believes what Les believes as well.....that Bret Farve is the only QB that can convert on 3rd and 8.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 11:19 pm to Raz
Week 1 stats:
att-comp-int yards td long
15- 21 - 1 151 2 51
and Week 4 stats:
att-comp-int yards td long
11- 23 - 2 80 0 20
So, again, where is something tangible? Something that is not your opinion.
att-comp-int yards td long
15- 21 - 1 151 2 51
and Week 4 stats:
att-comp-int yards td long
11- 23 - 2 80 0 20
So, again, where is something tangible? Something that is not your opinion.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 11:22 pm to ThePistol
quote:
The point of the OP analysis is simple guys: If everyone else on offense plays perfect and we get a couple of the negative things that happen as a result of QB play to go the other way, then JJ is good enough to give us a CHANCE to win the rest of the way. Oh, and the defense and ST have to continue to play at an elite level. Everyone picks up the QB and we are good to go!!!
Something like that, but without the hyperbole. 1) Penalties: The penalties weren't bad in the first 3 weeks. We just made some mistakes Saturday. Most of them are easy to fix.
2) Dropped passes: Our WRs are good. They're going to do a better job of catching the ball. Part of the problem is they have no rhythm with the QB because he hasn't been getting them the ball in the first 3 weeks. Now he is, and things will get better.
To restate your post without the hyperbole:
If we get half of the penalties on offense Saturday, and catch half of the catchable balls that the WRs dropped, we probably score 7-10 more points. If we had beaten WVU 30-17, we would all be talking about how the offense is finally starting to come together instead of melting down like we are now. And yes, our defense and special teams are among the nations best, and they make it much easier on the offense.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 11:25 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:
So, again, where is something tangible?
It doesn't get much more tangible than balls hitting you in the hands.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 11:27 pm to Raz
I've got to admit Raz, I'd be much more willing to buy your analysis if it was actually analyzed with coaching/scout notations.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 11:28 pm to Raz
quote:
It doesn't get much more tangible than balls hitting you in the hands.
Or the ball skipping along the damn turf. Don't disregard certain plays that don't fit your argument. JJ is ineffective, and he is worse now than in Week 1.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 11:36 pm to Raz
quote:
Raz
Why no 3rd or 4th quarter summaries when he started playing terribly?
This post was edited on 9/27/10 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 9/28/10 at 7:56 am to LNCHBOX
quote:
Or the ball skipping along the damn turf. Don't disregard certain plays that don't fit your argument. JJ is ineffective, and he is worse now than in Week 1.
This is like arguing with a liberal. You accuse me of doing exactly what you are doing.
You are disregarding the majority of his passes because they don't support your opinion. He threw 24 passes and of those 24, about 5 were bad passes. Of the 19 remaining, one was batted down at the line of scrimmage and another was JJ throwing it away on a bootleg because the WRs were covered. That leaves 17 passes out of 24 thrown that were good passes. Because you're not good at reading, I'm going to assume you probably aren't good at math either. So, let me simplify it for you: JJ threw some bad passes, but most of his passes were good.
This post was edited on 9/28/10 at 7:57 am
Page 3 of 4
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News