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re: Jefferson's Smart Decision to throw the ball away (with Pictures)
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:27 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:27 pm to lsufball19
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JJ looks to be staring right at RR the entire time
2nd and 3rd pic in the OP
this proves that people are seeing what they want to see. Theres no way JJ is staring at RR.
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:28 pm to LSUPHILLY72
We should run a bootleg play in goal line situations if we put in JJ.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:28 pm to Geaux2002
If the argument is he held the ball too long and needed to throw it .5 seconds sooner on the out route, then at least you are in the realm of debate.
Debating that he needs to throw it sooner and to the back corner of the end zone is not in the realm of debate.
I agree it wasn't the best play call, but hindsight is 20-20. Stud obviously expected a different defense than what UF ran. Sometimes the defense calls a play that just works. I'd rather throw an incompletion there, then JJ try to force the issue and end up with a pick 6.
Debating that he needs to throw it sooner and to the back corner of the end zone is not in the realm of debate.
I agree it wasn't the best play call, but hindsight is 20-20. Stud obviously expected a different defense than what UF ran. Sometimes the defense calls a play that just works. I'd rather throw an incompletion there, then JJ try to force the issue and end up with a pick 6.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:28 pm to LSUPHILLY72
The point is NOT that he threw it away or not, the point is that the pass attempt was LATE. In pic #4, the corner is beat and the safety would not make it over in time if the ball was in the air. You have a size advantage on the corner and all you have to do is throw it for the back corner and no one will get it except for Randle.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:28 pm to CptBengal
Can the people saying it should have been thrown to the corner explain why Randle didn't run to there at all?
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:28 pm to Choctaw
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Could someone fark Lee into those pics and repost this is? Im interested in seeing the responses
Youd get some variation of: The guy is a game manager. Flynn like. THrowing it away. Smart decision. Knows we can get 3 doesnt need to chance it. Motor is always running. A heady guy. Field general.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:30 pm to jturn17
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Debating that he needs to throw it sooner and to the back corner of the end zone is not in the realm of debate.
Why not? That should be the entire point.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:30 pm to NOSA
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Can the people saying it should have been thrown to the corner explain why Randle didn't run to there at all?
Sure!
What happens when you run a route that approaches the boundary on a timing play and the ball isn't there?
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:30 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Technically, he did stare down one receiver, but that's because there was only one receiver and it was a pass play.
It was a great call by JJ to toss into into the visitor's section. Had he tucked it and ran, people would have bitched that all he does is run. Had the tried to jam it into double coverage in the red zone and it was picked or was incomplete, he'd have been dogged for throwing it when he should have thrown it away.
Literally nothing wrong with this play on his part.
Co-sign on to this. Even if he had tried to run there were 2 UF defenders sitting on the 1 yard line spying him. He wasn't going anywhere.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:31 pm to mikedatyger
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Why not?
Because that wasnt the route. I feel like Im taking crazy pills
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:31 pm to NOSA
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Can the people saying it should have been thrown to the corner explain why Randle didn't run to there at all?
You realize when you make your cut on a slant in that situation and the QB still has the ball in his hands without even the hint of the throwing motion, running to the corner is pointless.
The play was over at that point and JJ clearly wasn't going to throw that pass anymore, which was the right call at that point.
Nobody is saying JJ made a stupid decision. He made the right choice based on how the play ended up, but he did hold onto the ball too long. It's simply not a play suited for JJ's strengths. The kid is a hell of a player, but the coaches got too cute and conservative there.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:31 pm to NOSA
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Can the people saying it should have been thrown to the corner explain why Randle didn't run to there at all?
can the people who are saying the play call was an out route explain how receivers never break off their original routes (and aren't taught to) if the play isn;t there. JJ waitied too long to throw the ball, RR saw that, so he broke off his route to try to get open. Even if the play call was, in fact, an out, JJ still waited until it was too late to throw to give his receiver a chance. Same story, different game. This is nothing new for JJ, don't know why people are trying to defend it. Yeah it was smart of him to throw it away and not try to force it once there was no way to complete the pass. But it still shows deficiencies in his game that it had to come to that.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:31 pm to LSUPHILLY72
But who shot Kennedy....
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:31 pm to LSUPHILLY72
There was only one receiver on that play.
/thread.
/thread.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:32 pm to WacoTiger
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The problem is that JJ waited to make the throw before RR made his cut. If he had made the throw before the cut, like on a fade route, RR would have been the only player that could have caught the ball. As is typical, JJ can't make the decision to throw until RR makes his cut; by then, it is too late.
We have a WINNER!!!
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:32 pm to mikedatyger
Because the route RR was running wasn't a fade? Therefore, it's not even a small point. It just exposes who has no idea what they're talking about.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:33 pm to LSUPHILLY72
that play is designed for him to throw the ball around picture 3...any time after that is a busted play unless he has a check down
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:34 pm to Geaux2002
This thread didn't go according to plan did it? 
JJ played fine but to spin this like he's Tom Brady is beyond ridiculous.
JJ played fine but to spin this like he's Tom Brady is beyond ridiculous.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:34 pm to junkfunky
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Even better, wanting him to throw an interception so they can say "told you so".
I never want any of our QB's to throw interceptions. I just want them to play the position and at least give us a chance. We had an absolute ZERO chance at a touchdown when JJ held the ball. The QB position is about split second decisions. I'm not saying JJ is stupid or an idiot or anything along those lines. I'm saying that a split second decision is the difference between a touchdown and a field goal. Simply put, he does trust himself to make that play or he is timid to make a mistake.
My thoughts, is that for 2 years the coaches preached to him "no mistakes" so he will never have the ability to make that great play in clutch situations. They could have instilled early on in him to trust his abilities, but instead JJ knew what happened to Lee in 08 and that made him second guess every decision that could have meant the difference between safe and greatness.
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:34 pm to jturn17
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Therefore, it's not even a small point. It just exposes who has no idea what they're talking about.
quote:
The problem is that JJ waited to make the throw before RR made his cut. If he had made the throw before the cut, like on a fade route, RR would have been the only player that could have caught the ball. As is typical, JJ can't make the decision to throw until RR makes his cut; by then, it is too late.
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