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re: "Jefferson Should Have Played Earlier": Guilbeau Is An Idiot
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:38 pm to King Joey
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:38 pm to King Joey
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So when you stand with 20 at the blackjack table, and the dealer flips an ace and then hits 21, you think to yourself, "well that was a mistake; better not stand with 20 again!"
no. but when I stay at 15 and the next card was a 6 that puts the dealer at 21, i don't sit there and say i was right. the whole way.
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Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:38 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:I once saw a QB give the other team 21 points in a single quarter. It definitely can get worse.
No, it isn't. Lee gave the other teams a total of 52 free points over 7 games.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:40 pm to King Joey
quote:
Well, 8 or so members of one of the most highly paid coaching staffs in the country failed to see what you insist was so obviously true to you. So why is it that you are not making much money coaching?
Because I'm still in college. You're suggesting basically that the coaches didn't make mistakes this year, because a lot of us claimed certain things should've happened that the coaches didn't do, that ended up being true. So basically, the coaches were perfect this year to you. If not, and you admit they made mistakes, then you're agreeing with me that some of us were right over them in certain situations.
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Look there are TONS of things going into these personnel decisions of which you and I are completely unaware. Hours upon hours of practice time and observation, tons of other details about the players' performances, potential pitfalls that could have more dire consequences that the shortcomings of the player that are on the field, etc., etc.
That's true and I mentioned this, but that doesn't excuse McCray being placed in bad situations over and over, nor does it excuse them forcing Lee to pass in impossibly long 3rd downs when his confidence is already shaken. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes, and the Rant is the squirrel in this case.
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Yes, there were mistakes made this season.
Then why are you arguing with me? All I said is that some of us could've made better decisions than the coaches at times this year. The mistakes you're talking about, people on here were saying to do the right thing. We didn't put any time into it, but that doesn't mean we didn't believe it was right. We could frick up 99 out of 100 times, but were still right at least once this year over the coaches. That's what I'm saying.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:44 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:Okay, that right there is exactly what I was talking about. That is not a "what if", that is a "they were wrong and I know better."
it makes it abundantly clear that Miles and Crowton should have given Jefferson a much more serious look long ago.
quote:Not as much in proportion to the negative as there has been success at LSU in proportion to failure.
yes. There has been a lot of positive writing from GG.
quote:Only because less than 85% of what he wrote was positive about Miles and the football program (far less, in fact). Since that was the rate of our success, it was obvious that he was not objective so there was no journalistic reason to read his stuff. And since he was unobjective in the negative direction, there was no fan feeling reason to read his stuff. And since the only two reasons to read any sports writing are to gain helpful knowledge (which comes from credible journalism) or to feel good about your team (which comes from fanfare writers), there was clearly no reason to read Guilbeau.
You yourself have stopped reading
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:45 pm to King Joey
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Okay, that right there is exactly what I was talking about. That is not a "what if", that is a "they were wrong and I know better."
you have to take a stance and defend it. Being wishy washy about it no way to write.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:48 pm to AlexLSU
quote:He doesn't. BUT in order to be "objective" he absolutely has to be positive in proportion to the success of our program. I'm not questioning his success, I'm challenging the notion that he is any way remotely objective.
but why does he necessarily have to be positive all the time?
quote:That depends on what you mean by "the job of a journalist." If you mean what they are paid to do, then the first part is irrelevant. If you mean what their duty of journalistic integrity demands, then the second part is irrelevant.
The job of a journalist is to inform and spark interest.
quote:No, the heart of a "good" story is to report what occurred and inform people who were not able to bear witness themselves. The heart of a "profitable" story is to form arguments that rile people up and get them to keep reading/listening/watching/etc.
The heart of a good story is to form, and support, an argument
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:51 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:Based on the few minutes of playing I saw of Jefferson and Lee, and what I know about football, I think it's more likely that he would have played better.
based on how jordan jefferson played which do you think was more likely?
I also thank God several times a season that we have a coach that knows WAY more about football and spends WAY more time watching the players than I do.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:52 pm to King Joey
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BUT in order to be "objective" he absolutely has to be positive in proportion to the success of our program.
incorrect. so incorrect it's not even funny.
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No, the heart of a "good" story is to report what occurred and inform people who were not able to bear witness themselves.
he is not just a reporter, he is an opinion columnist.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 3:01 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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he is not just a reporter, he is an opinion columnist.
True. But he needs, in the worst kind of way, to heed the advice reflected in my sig quote.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 3:02 pm to AlexLSU
quote:Of course not.
So basically, the coaches were perfect this year to you.
quote:That doesn't make the squirrel right. If I insist that QBs should always be started in reverse alphabetical order, the fact that Peyton Manning goes in before Ryan Leaf doesn't make me right.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes, and the Rant is the squirrel in this case.
quote:We don't know that. We don't know what the mistakes were. All we know is that somewhere between a 12-2 National Championship and an 8-5 season, somebody almost certainly made some mistakes. When we start insisting that we know what those mistakes were, and what the more sound decision would have been, THAT'S when we start sounding like fools that think they know more than the coaches.
The mistakes you're talking about, people on here were saying to do the right thing.
I see your point, though. It is highly probable that there were some decisions made along the way this season that people on this board argued should have gone the other way, and that the other way would have led to more success. But to go back to the blackjack analogy, the drunk guy behind you yelling, "HIT THAT 20!" can actually walk away saying, "See? I was right!" when the ace pops up. I just don't think it makes much sense to use his "judgment" to second guess your decision to stand with 20.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 3:02 pm to nycajun
Snap!
Posted on 1/2/09 at 3:03 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:That's "objective" to you? "Take a stance"? "Defend it"?
you have to take a stance and defend it.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 3:04 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:Okay, so how exactly is "objective" reporting not going to reflect the proportion of success of the program upon which he is reporting?
incorrect. so incorrect it's not even funny.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 3:05 pm to King Joey
has Glen G. been pitching for Jefferson all season?
if he has, he has a point.
If he doesn't, he should shut the frick up
I still trust that the coaches know when a QB is ready. shite, even after the Peach bowl, it's still hard to believe that Jefferson is that good. We had a month to game plan, and we scored like 3 times by starting drives in their territory. Sure, he looked good in the process, but I guarantee "time" is a big reason he was playing so well. He certainly wouldnt have been this good 2 months ago. Even 4-5 weeks ago. Because he looked bad in his first 2 games.
if he has, he has a point.
If he doesn't, he should shut the frick up
I still trust that the coaches know when a QB is ready. shite, even after the Peach bowl, it's still hard to believe that Jefferson is that good. We had a month to game plan, and we scored like 3 times by starting drives in their territory. Sure, he looked good in the process, but I guarantee "time" is a big reason he was playing so well. He certainly wouldnt have been this good 2 months ago. Even 4-5 weeks ago. Because he looked bad in his first 2 games.
This post was edited on 1/2/09 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 1/2/09 at 3:06 pm to King Joey
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That's "objective" to you? "Take a stance"? "Defend it"?
if the stance is defensible then yes.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 3:11 pm to Lester Earl
FACT
whoever said earlier there's no difference in the learning curve from September to now is kidding themself
whoever said earlier there's no difference in the learning curve from September to now is kidding themself
Posted on 1/2/09 at 3:12 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:If the "defense" is more than reporting the facts, then the writing is not objective.
if the stance is defensible then yes.
Objective means without bias, agenda or opinion shaping or influencing the reporting. Defending a stance is an agenda. Balancing out the overly positive reporting of others is an agenda. Stirring up controversy to sell papers is an agenda. All of these, as well as direct bias for or against the subject in the report, are inconsistent with the notion of "objectivity."
Posted on 1/2/09 at 3:15 pm to King Joey
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Objective means without bias, agenda or opinion shaping or influencing the reporting.
no, doing those things with intent is unbiased.
we're going to have to agree to disagree. this is getting boring.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 3:31 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:
no, doing those things with intent is unbiased.
Look KP, the guy is gratuitously negative about his alma mater. It would be hard to pull a single article he's written that does not take a jab at the school, its fans, its coaches, or its players. Bottomline, GG is an absolute stooge. Does he sometimes stagger into the truth like a drunk finally falling on to his bed? Yes. Does that make him sage? No. That you're an apparent apologist for someone who disrespects LSU to the extent Gilbeau does, does not change the facts.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 3:33 pm to AlaTiger
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Guilbeau is the equivalent of a rantard.
Only in his wildest dreams. Guilbeau, on his BEST day, couldn't hold a candle to most rantards.
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