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Posted on 1/2/09 at 12:56 pm to AlaTiger
Looks like JJ was brought around just right! 
Throwing a kid in too early is the wrong thing to do.
Throwing a kid in too early is the wrong thing to do.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 12:59 pm to AlaTiger
Posted on the Get off GG thread:
quote:
The only reason why someone would label him an idiot is because he does not give Les a reach-a-round 24/7 like many on the Rant. God forbid someone actually knows something about football and makes a statement that is less than flattering about Miles or the football program.
To say we underachieved would be an understatement and the criticism is certainly warranted. In my opinion, he is spot on and balanced. He has written articles on how well recruiting is going, praises Miles for his bowl game prowess, and has applauded him for his ability to come from behind.
Tigerdroppings is a great site and the Rant a fantastic forum. If we would get rid of all of the blind homers, the board would quickly become a lonely place and not as much fun.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:03 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:
Probably.
quote:No you're not. GG is ZeeDustin.
I'm him.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:04 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:07 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
GG makes a good point, albeit in an inartful way.
What he is trying to say, and the Rantards can't grasp, is that LSU DID NOT have an SEC caliber QB at the beginning of the season. I think this is obvious. What is not ovbious is WHEN should GC and Miles understood that with enough practice reps, JJ is EONS better than JL in almost every aspect of the game. Miles and GC stuck with JL thinking he was going to come around, but he kept failing over and over again. At that point, they should have given JJ a chance, and with even more reps he could of (and has, as recent events have borne out), that he can be an SEC QB.
As with most GG articles, the main point is a rather obtuse one, and is often a matter of perception and interpretation, not merely based on facts or statistics alone. GG then twists that one point in an inartful way, and it pisses off the Rantards.
What he is trying to say, and the Rantards can't grasp, is that LSU DID NOT have an SEC caliber QB at the beginning of the season. I think this is obvious. What is not ovbious is WHEN should GC and Miles understood that with enough practice reps, JJ is EONS better than JL in almost every aspect of the game. Miles and GC stuck with JL thinking he was going to come around, but he kept failing over and over again. At that point, they should have given JJ a chance, and with even more reps he could of (and has, as recent events have borne out), that he can be an SEC QB.
As with most GG articles, the main point is a rather obtuse one, and is often a matter of perception and interpretation, not merely based on facts or statistics alone. GG then twists that one point in an inartful way, and it pisses off the Rantards.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:09 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:14 pm to Genghis Khan
Ghengis Khan,
No one is saying that LSU did not underachieve. I have been critical of the coaches as well and I am far from a blind homer. When we lost to Ole Miss and then Arkansas, I was furious with the situation, especially the defensive coaching. But, to say that we should have started a true freshman earlier when the coaches were saying that he was not ready is nothing but using hindsight to contradict your own point that you made at the beginning of the season. GG himself said that Jefferson was not ready at the beginning of the season. In his omniscience, he declares that he knew when JJ would have been ready and then criticizes the coaches for ruining the season because they didn't play him earlier. That makes no sense.
No one is saying that this season was not a disaster and that coaching was not to blame. But, instead of focusing on the 38-3 blowout of Ga. Tech (which shows that much of our problems were possibly addressed and corrected), GG uses even this as another opportunity to blast Miles. To say that GG writes some positive stuff doesn't really matter. He is covering one of the winningest CFB programs of the decade with 2 NC's and 3 SEC championships. I would hope that he would write something positive once in a while.
No one is saying that LSU did not underachieve. I have been critical of the coaches as well and I am far from a blind homer. When we lost to Ole Miss and then Arkansas, I was furious with the situation, especially the defensive coaching. But, to say that we should have started a true freshman earlier when the coaches were saying that he was not ready is nothing but using hindsight to contradict your own point that you made at the beginning of the season. GG himself said that Jefferson was not ready at the beginning of the season. In his omniscience, he declares that he knew when JJ would have been ready and then criticizes the coaches for ruining the season because they didn't play him earlier. That makes no sense.
No one is saying that this season was not a disaster and that coaching was not to blame. But, instead of focusing on the 38-3 blowout of Ga. Tech (which shows that much of our problems were possibly addressed and corrected), GG uses even this as another opportunity to blast Miles. To say that GG writes some positive stuff doesn't really matter. He is covering one of the winningest CFB programs of the decade with 2 NC's and 3 SEC championships. I would hope that he would write something positive once in a while.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:17 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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i'd never say JJ should've been the starter, but it's not wrong to think that maybe he should've been groomed earlier.
That's the entire point. He WAS being groomed and those who are paid lots of money decided he wasn't ready.
I just have to take the opinion of Crowton over Guilbeau. At least Crowton had some accountability. GG can write anything and as long as it sells papers he doesn't have to be right. And and as long as people believe that somehow he has insights that the coaching staff doesn't have, he will continue to write drivel.
Personally I'd prefer to have Crowton do the actual coaching.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:19 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
GG made his proclamation about the LSU QBs way back in the beginning of the season after watching the first 10mins of practice just like every other media member.
Miles addressed the JJ situation repeatedly in his own way. He clearly said JJ wasn't ready, which means he was fricking up in practice. So if he couldn't handle the team in a controlled environment in practice, what makes anyone think he could handle the pressure of managing an actual game?
Lee was awful early in the year at managing the game, Hatch was good at it but didnt have the physical tools to do the job. Lee got better at managing the offense and JJ got to learn without any pressure on him. What we saw of JJ in Atlanta was the culmination of 5 months of practice as a backup and 3weeks of bowl game prep as the number one.
Everyone keeps forgetting that LSU played 6 weeks in a row, that didnt give the coaches the luxury of preparing a backup QB in the fundamentals of college football. Once they had the time to dedicate to JJ's development he improved dramatically. College coaches only have 20hrs per week of interaction with the players, there is only so much individual attention a player can get
Miles addressed the JJ situation repeatedly in his own way. He clearly said JJ wasn't ready, which means he was fricking up in practice. So if he couldn't handle the team in a controlled environment in practice, what makes anyone think he could handle the pressure of managing an actual game?
Lee was awful early in the year at managing the game, Hatch was good at it but didnt have the physical tools to do the job. Lee got better at managing the offense and JJ got to learn without any pressure on him. What we saw of JJ in Atlanta was the culmination of 5 months of practice as a backup and 3weeks of bowl game prep as the number one.
Everyone keeps forgetting that LSU played 6 weeks in a row, that didnt give the coaches the luxury of preparing a backup QB in the fundamentals of college football. Once they had the time to dedicate to JJ's development he improved dramatically. College coaches only have 20hrs per week of interaction with the players, there is only so much individual attention a player can get
This post was edited on 1/2/09 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:20 pm to supatigah
fair point.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:25 pm to LSU Fan 90812
also keep in mind crowton was already running college football QB 101 with the RSF JLee at the time as well. So JJ got lost in the shuffle until Lee's injury forced their hand and made JJ the man who got all of crowton's attention.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:25 pm to IrishEyes
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award winning journalist
Wasnt that awart presnted by Gannet(sp) , his employer
Gilbleaux is the sports shock jock, anything to stir up things. If you read him everyday you will see the venom he has for LSU. Ex. everything was won last year with Sabans permission to use his players, Bama will dominate for years.Etc. 90% of his articles are anti LSU(usually pro bama now that he has learned he can be more obnoxious using bama than USC at the moment)It also seems he actually spins things to hurt LSU anyway he can, if an article could hurt LSU recruiting , in his little reptile mind ,he thinks by putting his BS negative spin on it , he is doing his part to hurt LSU),the guy is childish. If the Tigers were that bad how in the hell did they win the NC last year. The guy is a tool.
This post was edited on 1/2/09 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:26 pm to supatigah
I don't think it's that out of loop to question whether or not it would've been better to gamble on JJ's inexperience, even at the cost of 50% of the playbook, starting after say the UGA game though.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:32 pm to AlaTiger
quote:I have far, FAR more respect for rantards than that.
Guilbeau is the equivalent of a rantard.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:32 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Everyone needs to remember (including GG) LSU beat a damn ACC TEAM!!!!!
When JJ wins an SEC game, then we can talk about whether the coaches were right or wrong.
When JJ wins an SEC game, then we can talk about whether the coaches were right or wrong.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:32 pm to LSU Fan 90812
JJ was a spread shotgun QB in HS who never had to read a defense and had superior talent around him at Destrehan. I have heard that crowton basically had to teach him how to be a college quarterback from scratch and it took a year. Keep in mind that this should have been his redshirt year where he learned the little things about playing QB in college that Lee learned last year.
How do you progress a QB into reading the MLB and the FS when you have to spend time teaching him the proper mechanics of the 3/5/7 step drop? You don't without spending lots and lots of time with him, doesn't matter how physically talented he is.
Sam Bradford ran a multiple pro set offense in HS and had all the QB fundamentals and tools before he even set foot on campus at OU. So his transition to starter at OU was based more on learning the OU playbook. JJ had to learn how to play QB and THEN learn the LSU playbook
How do you progress a QB into reading the MLB and the FS when you have to spend time teaching him the proper mechanics of the 3/5/7 step drop? You don't without spending lots and lots of time with him, doesn't matter how physically talented he is.
Sam Bradford ran a multiple pro set offense in HS and had all the QB fundamentals and tools before he even set foot on campus at OU. So his transition to starter at OU was based more on learning the OU playbook. JJ had to learn how to play QB and THEN learn the LSU playbook
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:33 pm to AlaTiger
AlaTiger,
Thanks for the reply. I do believe Jefferson was ready and Miles chose not to put him in. How many times did we hear Miles proclaim earlier in the week that Jefferson would see significant playing time only to watch him ride the pine come Saturday? This was maddening and a strong indication that the "Miles is stubborn to a fault" label has some merit.
Guilbeau has written positive articles about Miles and was climbing up his SEC coach rankings until the defense began to be exposed and the team began to lay down. Guilbeau and Kleinpeter for the Picayune do the best job covering the Tigers, in my opinion.
Thanks for the reply. I do believe Jefferson was ready and Miles chose not to put him in. How many times did we hear Miles proclaim earlier in the week that Jefferson would see significant playing time only to watch him ride the pine come Saturday? This was maddening and a strong indication that the "Miles is stubborn to a fault" label has some merit.
Guilbeau has written positive articles about Miles and was climbing up his SEC coach rankings until the defense began to be exposed and the team began to lay down. Guilbeau and Kleinpeter for the Picayune do the best job covering the Tigers, in my opinion.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:34 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:
Guilbeau Is An Idiot
I agree with this statement.
Just a question. Who is Guilbeau frickin to be able to write for any paper that gets published? Has he got some shite on somebody or what?
Posted on 1/2/09 at 1:38 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:
I don't think it's that out of loop to question whether or not it would've been better to gamble on JJ's inexperience, even at the cost of 50% of the playbook, starting after say the UGA game though.
And if JJ isn't ready and he stinks up the place? I can just see GG's story line about how Miles, Crowton , et. al. have fricked up and thrown an unready kid to the wolves.
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