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re: Jay Johnson on the pitching plan
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:11 pm to geauxtigers33
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:11 pm to geauxtigers33
I have said multiple times that Skenes should and will likely start game 1. But it’s a discussion worth having and perfect for a message board because it gets people thinking who can think and it exposes those who don’t understand the game at all. This thread has been a great indicator of the good baseball posters and how they respond vs the sidewalk football fans who just start up with insults when they don’t understand the conversation.
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:12 pm to DRock88
quote:Drock… you play 2 games to get to 2-0. You can’t get there losing game 2 either. This isn’t football or basketball where the rosters and role players are set. We are talking about a legit variable in the starting pitching that changes LSU from a 2-1 favorite to a pickem game.
we can't go 2-0 without going 1-0. That means that going 1-0 is even more important because it's required to reach 2-0. Therefore, you do what you can to ensure 1-0.
This post was edited on 6/14/23 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:13 pm to ell_13
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Drock… you play 2 games to get to 2-0. You can’t get there losing game 2 either.
Which game comes first, Game 1 or Game 2?
It really is as simple as putting the best possible lineup on the field for every game going forward. Paul Skenes gives us the best chance to win on Saturday. He gets the ball.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:13 pm to ell_13
You don't even get the opportunity to play for 2-0 if you start 0-1.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:15 pm to Indefatigable
quote:So you had zero problem with Skenes vs Tulane. Interesting.
Which game comes first, Game 1 or Game 2? It really is as simple as putting the best possible lineup on the field for every game
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:15 pm to ell_13
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So you had zero problem with Skenes vs Tulane. Interesting.
Correct.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:18 pm to DRock88
You’re not playing for the opportunity. You’re playing to go 2-0. I edited my post. This isn’t football or basketball where the likelihood of winning doesn’t change from day to day because you have to change your QB. Imagine if Burrow could only start 1 of the 2 playoff games and you had to start Brennon the other. Do you save Brennon for the champ game? Even if you’re playing a team that can’t stop the run in game 1?
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:18 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:21 pm to ProjectP2294
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My main argument against trying to play around with the pitching staff is that every team we will play is really fricking good. That leaves no choice but to give yourself the best chance to win that day and not worry as much about maximizing your chances of winning tomorrow with your pre-game decisions today
Probably the best argument that nobody has talked about for not taking risk in game 1 is that there is a significant chance that Wake loses game 1. Wake winning isn’t 100%. It’s probably 80%.
The risk may be for “nothing”.
In the end, as el pointed out, you have to try and win 2. That’s been true historically, but it’s even more true with this pitching staff.
For that reason, I’m holding Skenes, and trying to beat TN without him. I think we have a better chance of doing that than beating Wake without him.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:26 pm to Indefatigable
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Which game comes first, Game 1 or Game 2?
It really is as simple as putting the best possible lineup on the field for every game going forward
This is illogical. Pretend Floyd is our CLEAR and only other elite starter. We aren’t wasting him in relief in game 1 because it would be dumb to.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:27 pm to moneyg
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Probably the best argument that nobody has talked about for not taking risk in game 1 is that there is a significant chance that Wake loses game 1. Wake winning isn’t 100%. It’s probably 80%.
They're going to get punched in the mouth by someone. Stanford is a little more battle hardened than Wake is. I could see it being a battle.
On one of the Tennessee message boards, they're talking about how bad they are against lefties and want us to throw Skenes against them.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:31 pm to ProjectP2294
We don’t exactly have a lefty that we would start vs them.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:32 pm to moneyg
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This is illogical. Pretend Floyd is our CLEAR and only other elite starter. We aren’t wasting him in relief in game 1 because it would be dumb to.
Where did I say anything about randomly deciding to use starters in relief?
I was referring to the starting lineup and starting pitcher, something I’m quite sure that you already knew.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:33 pm to ell_13
They were making fun of Cooper for being a fat, soft tossing lefty.
I know that self awareness isn't their greatest feature because one of the guys that keeps calling Cooper, who touches 93, fat and soft tossing is Kirby Connell's dad. Connell is also fat and can't throw a fastball through a pane of glass.
I know that self awareness isn't their greatest feature because one of the guys that keeps calling Cooper, who touches 93, fat and soft tossing is Kirby Connell's dad. Connell is also fat and can't throw a fastball through a pane of glass.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:33 pm to ell_13
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So you had zero problem with Skenes vs Tulane. Interesting.
I didn’t agree with it but I didn’t have a problem with it. It’s also two totally different situations.
One team is the worst team to ever make the NCAA tournament the other is one of the more talented teams in the country.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:34 pm to geauxtigers33
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I didn’t agree with it but I didn’t have a problem with it. It’s also two totally different situations.
I wanted Hurd, but I wasn't going to m_ell_t over it.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:36 pm to geauxtigers33
quote:There are people here who are saying that it’s all about winning the next game… no matter what. The logic of holding Skenes vs Tulane is same vs Tenn even if the situations are less obvious. Again, I’m aware I’m playing devils advocate because I would throw Skenes game 1 too. Tennessee is too good to take that chance. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of people saying you HAVE to do everything you can to win game 1 when they were perfectly willing to start Floyd vs Tulane.
One team is the worst team to ever make the NCAA tournament the other is one of the more talented teams in the country.
This post was edited on 6/14/23 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 6/14/23 at 1:37 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:How has this not been a thing before?
m_ell_t
Posted on 6/14/23 at 2:13 pm to Indefatigable
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Where did I say anything about randomly deciding to use starters in relief?
I was referring to the starting lineup and starting pitcher, something I’m quite sure that you already knew.
It's the same concept. If you believe your only path to winning is to win both games, you have to make decisions based on BOTH games...not simply based on game 1. This is basic logic.
If you don't think it's essential to win both and think winning game 1 is way more important than winning game 2, you make decisions along those lines
I know what I think. But, it would be dumb to believe you have to win both...and then make decisions solely on game 1.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 2:37 pm to ell_13
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They win the first two nearly every time.
Yep, exactly.
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