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re: Jason Whitlock's take on Joe Burrow
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:19 pm to TheFlyingTiger
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:19 pm to TheFlyingTiger
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That's what message boards are for. So. Yes. It's cool to do that.
So why can't Burrow indulge in stuff outside of football?
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Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:21 pm to Dupree for 3
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Dude STFU. You always here bitching to bitch. Your life must be miserable
Another Low IQ person who doesn't agree with someone's post and goes to the F bombs. I will say what I want when I want it. PERIOD!
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:22 pm to JKChesterton
quote:here you go
Show me those stats
Already posted it in this thread
LINK
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:24 pm to Broski
quote:He can. And then he can be judged on it, just like posters here are
So why can't Burrow indulge in stuff outside of football?
Are you telling me you never disagree or call posters idiots on here? Your reply is always “I disagree but your opinion is beautiful and keep on posting my friend!”
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:27 pm to tigerfan88
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% Under pressure and time taken to throw are not correlative stats. In fact they often have an inverse relationship.
I.e. Burrow is under pressure less because he’s throwing the ball quicker.
Now maybe he’s getting happy feet or a quick trigger because of how often Watt and parsons blew up his line, but the one thing he isn’t doing is taking too long to throw.
Well I think they are related in that both of them could explain why Burrow is off to a relatively poor start.
Again watching both games, and reading the analytics articles, pre-snap reads are perhaps not as good (per the article) so if a pressure is coming, yes the ball has to come out quicker, if not, then you can hold it longer. His Turnovers are way up which again may be related to forcing it into coverage or bad pre-snap reads not accurately identifying if a pressure is coming or more of a zone look, etc.
He is playing Pro ball, he is not beyond criticism.
Some of people here very defensive about Joe Burrow and he is now in Pro ball. These same people many of them are the first ones here after LSU plays to criticize Daniels if he misses a read or does not get to route 2 or 3 even if he has a clean pocket. Now, does Daniels have things that correctly need to be improved, 100% correct.
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:27 pm to JKChesterton
Lol you sound like Hillary ranting right now. This is an online forum - if you can’t take the “f-bomb” GTFO
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:29 pm to oCAJUNal
What is wrong with what he is saying? He is saying Joe should focus on football. Jason can be cartoonish but not in this case.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:34 pm to Dupree for 3
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Lol you sound like Hillary ranting right now. This is an online forum - if you can’t take the “f-bomb” GTFO
No I can take them and how did Hillary Clinton get into this discussion. Tangential topic and thought process on your part. Has nothing to do with the OP's original post nor trying to understand Joe Burrow's relative poor start and the Bengals being 0-2.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:39 pm to lsupride87
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here you go
Already posted it in this thread
LINK
Thanks for the stats, that is what is needed, data and analytics to get better information on Joe's struggles.
So your stats show he is getting the ball out and other stats that I provided show he is actually under Pressure less so far through 2 games than he was in 2021 (18% vs. 24%), then some other factors therefore have to explain his relatively poor start.
1) Rustiness from no Mini and training camps this summer.
2) Pre-Snap issues as Defenses have adjusted to him. So, he might need to adjust to the NFL DC's adjustments they made from last year to this year.
3) Feeling the Pressure to try to repeat last years run.
4) Locked in on Chase too much and forcing the ball
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:43 pm to JKChesterton
I think it’s primarily Zac Taylor and offensive design, not Burrow or the O-line.
Teams are going heavy cover 2 to take away the big plays. Everyone, even Josh Allen and Mahomes, started struggling when they starting see a lot of Cover 2. Joe himself does need to figure out a counter, but it’s more on Taylor and Callahan to figure out play calls or play designs that can either beat Cover 2 or get the defense out of Cover 2.
It’s not just passing, bengals have the worst rushing offense in the league through 2 games. It’s an offensive scheme/design/playcalling issue at its core.
Teams are going heavy cover 2 to take away the big plays. Everyone, even Josh Allen and Mahomes, started struggling when they starting see a lot of Cover 2. Joe himself does need to figure out a counter, but it’s more on Taylor and Callahan to figure out play calls or play designs that can either beat Cover 2 or get the defense out of Cover 2.
It’s not just passing, bengals have the worst rushing offense in the league through 2 games. It’s an offensive scheme/design/playcalling issue at its core.
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:45 pm to lsupride87
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He can. And then he can be judged on it, just like posters here are
Are you telling me you never disagree or call posters idiots on here? Your reply is always “I disagree but your opinion is beautiful and keep on posting my friend!”
No you can agree or disagree with whatever his opinions are.
But there is difference in saying he can't have any public opinions besides football. That's some liberal thought-control shite.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:46 pm to LsuNav
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What is wrong with what he is saying? He is saying Joe should focus on football. Jason can be cartoonish but not in this case.
So you think because he dresses nice or says something non-football at a press conference, he is not focusing on football?
Give him some credit.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:49 pm to tigerfan88
Taylor is absolute dogshit as a HC. He cost them a Super Bowl and the week 1 game. The year before they drafted Burrow around week 9 they decided to tank and sit Dalton then all of the sudden late in the season he starts trying to win games bringing back the starting QB and they go 2-2 down the stretch to almost lose the top pick. The guy has no clue what he’s doing, I just hope PBJ gets rid of him before Burrow gets killed or moral goes and the window closes.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:49 pm to oCAJUNal
These personalities just figure out what take will give them the most attention and go with that. I don't pay them any mind. Jason very likely has a very different opinion in real life.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:53 pm to jrobic4
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Actions have consequences
He was sold as an All-America success story. Hard work that paid off...can we agree that a lot of the hard working, blue collar folks who Joe resonated with may be turned off by some of his current stances and the way he's carrying himself? Swag is one thing...
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:54 pm to jrobic4
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Let's say that a lot of the hard working, blue collar folks who Joe resonated with or turned off by some of his current stances and the way he's carrying himself.
So he's not hard-working anymore because he has some liberal stances?
You guys know he was saying stuff like this when he was at LSU, right?
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:54 pm to Lutcher Lad
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Hate to admit it but Whitlock's right about Burrow. I sensed his desire to push the envelope on social issues a few years ago and simply wrote it off as a young qb trying to find acceptance from his peers on the football field.
But the arrogance that his opinion should be amplified and folks should follow his cue is going to eat him up with his followers and fans.
Take Jason's advice Joe...stay in your lane!
Hate to admit it, but this right here is the truth. If he dont get his mind on football, he will be holding a clipboard soon !!!!!!
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:55 pm to lsupride87
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He can. And then he can be judged on it, just like posters here are
Are you telling me you never disagree or call posters idiots on here? Your reply is always “I disagree but your opinion is beautiful and keep on posting my friend!”
100% agree. But with some posters here, The members of the Flat Earth Society types, if you Criticize Joe Burrow, as Whitlock did, they go crazy. When people like LeBron (LeChina) James goes public with something in social media, and Whitlock calls him out as well, those same members of the Flat earth society will cheer Whitlock on sounding like Ray Stevens in the song "the Streak"
I long ago stopped watching the NBA (when MJ retired). James has the right to say what he wants. However when you get into social media and say things, there are going to be people who challenge what you say. Joe Burrow is getting the same treatment all these other sports guys get when they go public with their views.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:56 pm to Turnblad85
The actual discussion is far too big for this board. In reality the reaction to this spun recounting of what was said just proves Whitlocks overall point was dead on.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:57 pm to jrctiger84
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If he dont get his mind on football, he will be holding a clipboard soon !!!!!!
So if you don't talk about football all the time, your mind isn't on football?
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