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re: It's the scheme
Posted on 12/31/24 at 8:55 pm to xGeauxLSUx
Posted on 12/31/24 at 8:55 pm to xGeauxLSUx
I disagree that we ran "tons" of misdirection and outside relative to straight up the gut. The other thing is that no defense hesitates on the possibility that Nuss will pull it. Sometimes that's all you need to hit a crease. Whatever it is...here's to it being fixed for ext year!
Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:07 pm to GarTiger
We couldn’t run left most of the year. On top of that we have a QB who is no threat to pull it and run. Once Ds started pressuring the middle of the line the book on LSU was out.
Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:15 pm to tgdk11
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It's what Kelly wants.
And it's why LSU will never win a championship with him as head coach.
Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:15 pm to LSUSkip
Fade is low percentage BS .Hate RZ fades with a passion
Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:21 pm to GarTiger
Kellys book. Its predictable. Wont beat good teams when it counts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:52 pm to Tiger Ryno
Someone needs to explain the cautionary tell of one Leslie Miles and his inability to adapt, to CBK. It's a good way to find yourself in Kansas..Toto
Posted on 12/31/24 at 10:21 pm to GarTiger
100% this. They are telegraphing the run plays. Bama coaches basically admitted they knew what every play was yet there was no reaction from Tiger nation. He needs a run game coordinator or something
Posted on 12/31/24 at 11:37 pm to GarTiger
I seem to recall, around the time we fired Les and made O head coach, people hated our run-centric offense. I remember a couple people saying they didn't care if we lost some, they'd rather lose with a 300 yd passer than win 10-6.
Well, we're there now. Nuss averaged over 300 yds his first year as a starter.
I'm curious if some of the people bitching now, also bitched back then.
Well, we're there now. Nuss averaged over 300 yds his first year as a starter.
I'm curious if some of the people bitching now, also bitched back then.
Posted on 12/31/24 at 11:42 pm to bayouboo
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On top of that we have a QB who is no threat to pull it and run.
The Rant's infatuation with this, and getting under center, is truly something to behold.
Posted on 12/31/24 at 11:44 pm to LSUSkip
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I might be a novice at play-calling, but I would have tried a fade to Pimpton every time I was in the red-zone.
He would have possibly made a nice catch on the ball in a TCU uniform.
Posted on 12/31/24 at 11:49 pm to SidewalkTiger
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getting under center
There isn't a damn thing wrong with going under center in short yardage & goal line. OSU showed it works against Tennessee for 2 TDs.
People like you don't seem to understand that running short yardage/goal line from out of the shotgun gives linemen & LBs a split second longer to penetrate or slip gaps. When running out of shotgun in those situations, the blocking always has to be perfect for it to work. That's not always the case from under center.
Posted on 12/31/24 at 11:53 pm to BigBrod81
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There isn't a damn thing wrong with going under center in short yardage & goal line. OSU showed it works against Tennessee for 2 TDs.
People like you don't seem to understand that running short yardage/goal line from out of the shotgun gives linemen & LBs a split second longer to penetrate or slip gaps. When running out of shotgun in those situations, the blocking always has to be perfect for it to work. That's not always the case from under center.
I didn't say anything was wrong with it, it's just a weird obsession this board has.
LSU did it a few times this season and it worked some and didn't others.
Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:03 am to SidewalkTiger
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I didn't say anything was wrong with it, it's just a weird obsession this board has.
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Teams going under center had a success rate of 69.9% on 1967 attempts while teams going shotgun had a success rate of 61.00% on 2447 attempts. While going under center has proved to be more successful just above 10% more often, teams have actually attempted out of the shotgun formations 55.4% of the time.
Gaining the short yardage on the ground has been the most successful in third- and fourth-and-short. Teams have lined up under center and run the ball 1,578 times in the situations we’ve lined out, gaining a first down 71.5% of the time.
That’s No. 1, but it’s only marginally better than running out of the gun, which is the next most successful play at 67.2% (1,003 plays).
Though there have been only 389 drop-backs from under center compared to 1,444 out of the shotgun, the pass plays from right behind the center have had a 63.2% success rate with the designed throws from the gun at just 56.7%.
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The key part is the practicing. Some coaches don’t want to devote much if any of their limited time to things they rarely use. Memphis has under-center periods in every practice and runs plays with three tight ends and fullbacks at times. Silverfield’s background as an offensive line coach contributes to what he calls the “physicality mindset” he wants his team to have.
“We’re believers in being able to do both,” Memphis tight ends coach Brad Salem said. “At some point, it’s going to benefit you if you can line up under center and play that way.”
Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:07 am to BigBrod81
Nobody knows how to defend it anymore. What’s old is new
Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:07 am to BigBrod81
Just depends on your offensive makeup.
If you're playing from the shotgun, you have RPO options and more visibility in the passing game.
If you're under center, you improve your running chances but your passing game is drastically narrowed as to options. You're also doing a lot of things that your players aren't used to.
With a team like LSU, I can see why the coaches would rather play from the shotgun.
If you're playing from the shotgun, you have RPO options and more visibility in the passing game.
If you're under center, you improve your running chances but your passing game is drastically narrowed as to options. You're also doing a lot of things that your players aren't used to.
With a team like LSU, I can see why the coaches would rather play from the shotgun.
Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:24 am to SidewalkTiger
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You're also doing a lot of things that your players aren't used to.
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Memphis is an example of a program that runs a modern-looking offense — shotgun and 11 personnel, one back, one tight end and three receivers, most of the time — but still values, practices and calls plays from under center.
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The key part is the practicing. Some coaches don’t want to devote much if any of their limited time to things they rarely use. Memphis has under-center periods in every practice and runs plays with three tight ends and fullbacks at times. Silverfield’s background as an offensive line coach contributes to what he calls the “physicality mindset” he wants his team to have.
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With a team like LSU, I can see why the coaches would rather play from the shotgun.
Yeah, big TE's & big offensive line yet it doesn't benefit going under center.
Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:26 am to Madking
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Nobody knows how to defend it anymore. What’s old is new
Not just that, defenses have adjusted to spread offenses by staying in nickel & dime looks more often. Safeties & LBs are lighter to be faster & cover space. They can be mauled & overpowered.
Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:27 am to BigBrod81
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Yeah, big TE's & big offensive line yet it doesn't benefit going under center.
They are big but not especially physical and not especially great at run blocking.
I don't know that there's necessarily a right or wrong opinion to have, I'm just saying I understand why they tend to do what they do, although they did try some different formations throughout the year from under center.
Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:30 am to BigBrod81
NFL is already learning back that way so it’s inevitable. Why not get ahead of it is how I see it.
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