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re: It's the scheme

Posted on 12/31/24 at 8:55 pm to
Posted by GarTiger
West Monroe
Member since Oct 2019
2422 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 8:55 pm to
I disagree that we ran "tons" of misdirection and outside relative to straight up the gut. The other thing is that no defense hesitates on the possibility that Nuss will pull it. Sometimes that's all you need to hit a crease. Whatever it is...here's to it being fixed for ext year!
Posted by bayouboo
Member since Jan 2007
2600 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:07 pm to
We couldn’t run left most of the year. On top of that we have a QB who is no threat to pull it and run. Once Ds started pressuring the middle of the line the book on LSU was out.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
15098 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:15 pm to
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It's what Kelly wants.


And it's why LSU will never win a championship with him as head coach.
Posted by minimal
Member since Feb 2007
833 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:15 pm to
Fade is low percentage BS .Hate RZ fades with a passion
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
105373 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:21 pm to
Kellys book. Its predictable. Wont beat good teams when it counts
Posted by GarTiger
West Monroe
Member since Oct 2019
2422 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:52 pm to
Someone needs to explain the cautionary tell of one Leslie Miles and his inability to adapt, to CBK. It's a good way to find yourself in Kansas..Toto
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
45898 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 10:21 pm to
100% this. They are telegraphing the run plays. Bama coaches basically admitted they knew what every play was yet there was no reaction from Tiger nation. He needs a run game coordinator or something
Posted by trex1250
Roswell
Member since Jun 2007
1059 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 11:29 pm to
THIS!!!!
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
21754 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 11:37 pm to
I seem to recall, around the time we fired Les and made O head coach, people hated our run-centric offense. I remember a couple people saying they didn't care if we lost some, they'd rather lose with a 300 yd passer than win 10-6.

Well, we're there now. Nuss averaged over 300 yds his first year as a starter.

I'm curious if some of the people bitching now, also bitched back then.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61028 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 11:42 pm to
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On top of that we have a QB who is no threat to pull it and run.


The Rant's infatuation with this, and getting under center, is truly something to behold.

Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
21658 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 11:44 pm to
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I might be a novice at play-calling, but I would have tried a fade to Pimpton every time I was in the red-zone.


He would have possibly made a nice catch on the ball in a TCU uniform.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
21658 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 11:49 pm to
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getting under center


There isn't a damn thing wrong with going under center in short yardage & goal line. OSU showed it works against Tennessee for 2 TDs.

People like you don't seem to understand that running short yardage/goal line from out of the shotgun gives linemen & LBs a split second longer to penetrate or slip gaps. When running out of shotgun in those situations, the blocking always has to be perfect for it to work. That's not always the case from under center.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61028 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 11:53 pm to
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There isn't a damn thing wrong with going under center in short yardage & goal line. OSU showed it works against Tennessee for 2 TDs.

People like you don't seem to understand that running short yardage/goal line from out of the shotgun gives linemen & LBs a split second longer to penetrate or slip gaps. When running out of shotgun in those situations, the blocking always has to be perfect for it to work. That's not always the case from under center.


I didn't say anything was wrong with it, it's just a weird obsession this board has.

LSU did it a few times this season and it worked some and didn't others.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
21658 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:03 am to
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I didn't say anything was wrong with it, it's just a weird obsession this board has.




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Teams going under center had a success rate of 69.9% on 1967 attempts while teams going shotgun had a success rate of 61.00% on 2447 attempts. While going under center has proved to be more successful just above 10% more often, teams have actually attempted out of the shotgun formations 55.4% of the time.

Gaining the short yardage on the ground has been the most successful in third- and fourth-and-short. Teams have lined up under center and run the ball 1,578 times in the situations we’ve lined out, gaining a first down 71.5% of the time.

That’s No. 1, but it’s only marginally better than running out of the gun, which is the next most successful play at 67.2% (1,003 plays).

Though there have been only 389 drop-backs from under center compared to 1,444 out of the shotgun, the pass plays from right behind the center have had a 63.2% success rate with the designed throws from the gun at just 56.7%.


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The key part is the practicing. Some coaches don’t want to devote much if any of their limited time to things they rarely use. Memphis has under-center periods in every practice and runs plays with three tight ends and fullbacks at times. Silverfield’s background as an offensive line coach contributes to what he calls the “physicality mindset” he wants his team to have.

“We’re believers in being able to do both,” Memphis tight ends coach Brad Salem said. “At some point, it’s going to benefit you if you can line up under center and play that way.”
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
58728 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:07 am to
Nobody knows how to defend it anymore. What’s old is new
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61028 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:07 am to
Just depends on your offensive makeup.

If you're playing from the shotgun, you have RPO options and more visibility in the passing game.

If you're under center, you improve your running chances but your passing game is drastically narrowed as to options. You're also doing a lot of things that your players aren't used to.

With a team like LSU, I can see why the coaches would rather play from the shotgun.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
21658 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:24 am to
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You're also doing a lot of things that your players aren't used to.


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Memphis is an example of a program that runs a modern-looking offense — shotgun and 11 personnel, one back, one tight end and three receivers, most of the time — but still values, practices and calls plays from under center.


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The key part is the practicing. Some coaches don’t want to devote much if any of their limited time to things they rarely use. Memphis has under-center periods in every practice and runs plays with three tight ends and fullbacks at times. Silverfield’s background as an offensive line coach contributes to what he calls the “physicality mindset” he wants his team to have.


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With a team like LSU, I can see why the coaches would rather play from the shotgun.


Yeah, big TE's & big offensive line yet it doesn't benefit going under center.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
21658 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:26 am to
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Nobody knows how to defend it anymore. What’s old is new


Not just that, defenses have adjusted to spread offenses by staying in nickel & dime looks more often. Safeties & LBs are lighter to be faster & cover space. They can be mauled & overpowered.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61028 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:27 am to
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Yeah, big TE's & big offensive line yet it doesn't benefit going under center.

They are big but not especially physical and not especially great at run blocking.

I don't know that there's necessarily a right or wrong opinion to have, I'm just saying I understand why they tend to do what they do, although they did try some different formations throughout the year from under center.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
58728 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:30 am to
NFL is already learning back that way so it’s inevitable. Why not get ahead of it is how I see it.
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