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re: It's nice to have a QB coach and an OC who can actually call good plays.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:40 am to Tigerfansince60
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:40 am to Tigerfansince60
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I loved how with a minute left in the first half we didn't run three times and then punt the ball or go for three, but opened up the passing game and scored seven
Great point. That was refreshing.
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Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:41 am to just me
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You two boys just lost any credibility that you might had left.
RobbBobb makes a huge stretch to create a totally erroneous strawman argument. I never said that Krag's illness and Stud's rise to OC is the reason why LSU's offense is successful now. Nobody has argued that point. I said that the replacement of Crowton has had a huge impact on the efficiency of LSU's offense.
Everyone in this thread has noted that LSU has more time to run plays. That's not on the QB. That's the OC.
LSU has not suffered as much from delay of game, false start, and illegal shift penalties. That's not on the QB. That's the OC.
LSU has not been so sporadic with its formations. That's not on the QB. That's the OC.
LSU's offense has an identity. LSU runs to setup the pass. That's not on the QB. That's the OC.
LSU's offense no longer looks like a a bunch of stud racehorses running at full speed but still stuck in the starting gates. We might not be very complex, but we don't need to be and never did. Crowton's offense was too much for even the most educated fan to comprehend. Its no surprise a bunch of 20 year old kids struggled with it. That's not on the QB. That's the OC.
TheDoc then tries to support the absolute garbage that RobbBobb posted. Really, TheDoc?!?! RobbBobb's completely transparent attempt at a strawman argument is a great point? Damn, son. That's just moronic.
TheDoc, RobbBobb, and TIGRLEE have their heads so far up Lee's arse to notice the dramatic improvements that have occurred with LSU's offense. Improvements that do not result from the QB. They result from the OC.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:42 am to TIGRLEE
quote:You two boys just lost any credibility that you might had left.quote:This is actually a great point that destroys justme's argument.
The offense is dramatically improved because weeks before the 1st game the OC stepped down due to health problems, and we had to rush in a guy, unprepared, to take over!!
RobbBobb makes a huge stretch to create a totally erroneous strawman argument. I never said that Krag's illness and Stud's rise to OC is the reason why LSU's offense is successful now. Nobody has argued that point. I said that the replacement of Crowton has had a huge impact on the efficiency of LSU's offense.
Everyone in this thread has noted that LSU has more time to run plays. That's not on the QB. That's the OC.
LSU has not suffered as much from delay of game, false start, and illegal shift penalties. That's not on the QB. That's the OC.
LSU has not been so sporadic with its formations. That's not on the QB. That's the OC.
LSU's offense has an identity. LSU runs to setup the pass. That's not on the QB. That's the OC.
LSU's offense no longer looks like a a bunch of stud racehorses running at full speed but still stuck in the starting gates. We might not be very complex, but we don't need to be and never did. Crowton's offense was too much for even the most educated fan to comprehend. Its no surprise a bunch of 20 year old kids struggled with it. That's not on the QB. That's the OC.
TheDoc then tries to support the absolute garbage that RobbBobb posted. Really, TheDoc?!?! RobbBobb's completely transparent attempt at a strawman argument is a great point? Damn, son. That's just moronic.
TheDoc, RobbBobb, and TIGRLEE have their heads so far up Lee's arse to notice the dramatic improvements that have occurred with LSU's offense. Improvements that do not result from the QB. They result from the OC.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:43 am to just me
like the fact that we're not so sporadic with our formations...
YES, YES, YES!! i cant agree more, we are simple come at you stop us if you can, as the season progresses im sure we will see more, but it will be planned off what we are already doing. like someone already said, "fluid", this approach allows the players to play, to do thier thing.... of which we have plenty of talent that can deliver... much better,
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last year was I-formation, 5-wide, pro set in shotgun in three consecutive plays way too often.
We seemed to have chosen an offensive identity and are going with it, rather than trying to be 8 different offenses all at once.
YES, YES, YES!! i cant agree more, we are simple come at you stop us if you can, as the season progresses im sure we will see more, but it will be planned off what we are already doing. like someone already said, "fluid", this approach allows the players to play, to do thier thing.... of which we have plenty of talent that can deliver... much better,
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:44 am to just me
How about we just do this.
Half of credit goes to coaches.
Half of credit goes to new improved qb play.
Fair?
Half of credit goes to coaches.
Half of credit goes to new improved qb play.
Fair?
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:45 am to just me
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Everyone in this thread has noted that LSU has more time to run plays. That's not on the QB. That's the OC.
I think both contribute to this.
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LSU has not suffered as much from delay of game, false start, and illegal shift penalties. That's not on the QB. That's the OC
QB can contribute to fewer delay of game penalties, but for the most part, agreed.
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LSU has not been so sporadic with its formations. That's not on the QB. That's the OC
Agreed.
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LSU's offense has an identity. LSU runs to setup the pass. That's not on the QB. That's the OC.
Agreed.
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LSU's offense no longer looks like a a bunch of stud racehorses running at full speed but still stuck in the starting gates. We might not be very complex, but we don't need to be and never did. Crowton's offense was too much for even the most educated fan to comprehend. Its no surprise a bunch of 20 year old kids struggled with it. That's not on the QB. That's the OC.
Agreed.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:48 am to TIGRLEE
quote:Do you want a sticker or a cookie?
How about we just do this.
Half of credit goes to coaches.
Half of credit goes to new improved qb play.
Fair?
Wait, wait, wait. Let me try that again.
Which would you rather give to Lee in your pathetic but patent attempt to garner his attention and affection: a sticker or a cookie?
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:51 am to TheDoc
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It's nice to feel like the qb's have control of the offense and it runs pretty smooth.
That is what simplifying an offense will do
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:51 am to just me
First time in 3 years we have good QB's. Mett will be great before he leaves LSU.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:52 am to just me
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call good plays.
For the most part, it's been conventional football with rushing plays on 1st and second down. This is LSU's MO this year. If another team can consistently shut down the rushing game and force 3rd-and-long situations, the fanbase will be back to bitching about running up the middle too many times.
I do agree that the players have looked better prepared, and there hasn't been any confusion on the sidelines or in playcalling.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:54 am to Specktricity
quote:It took him 3 years to do it, though. Offense looks much better. So glad Crowton is gone. No multiple motions, and wacky sets, delays of game, jumping offsides and bad snaps. Crowton was playing a video game that none of us were privy to.
Looks to me like Les once again identified the problem and found a solution.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:54 am to The_Pistol
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If another team can consistently shut down the rushing game and force 3rd-and-long situations
My biggest fear
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:57 am to TIGRLEE
I bet it helps the quarterback not having to worry about a new formation every single snap. I really think the gimmicky formations were the biggest problems last year. We were always trying to run 4 players on before the snap. The Tennessee game was just the icing on that cake.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:58 am to The_Pistol
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For the most part, it's been conventional football with rushing plays on 1st and second down. This is LSU's MO this year. If another team can consistently shut down the rushing game and force 3rd-and-long situations, the fanbase will be back to bitching about running up the middle too many times
True. But it helps that we are running on 1st and 2nd down with two RBs that are the best we have had in a few years.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:58 am to In The Know
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If another team can consistently shut down the rushing game and force 3rd-and-long situations
My biggest fear
Find out thurs. Everyone says we will run all over Moo st. b/c of what Auburn did to them. We have a completely different running game than Auburn. Auburn gets to the edge while LSU runs b/w the tackles. Fans forget Auburn ran like that on us last year.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:59 am to In The Know
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I'd still like to see us mix it up a bit. A little play action on first down while in the I formation would be nice.
that's coming, coaches and JJ talked about it a bit in the offseason. hell, we went deep on the 1st play the other night. we're just lulling future opponents to sleep with the smashmouth.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 9:00 am to In The Know
quote:We passed a few times on first down against Oregon.quote:My biggest fear
If another team can consistently shut down the rushing game and force 3rd-and-long situations
However, that didn't move Oregon out of the box on defense. Oregon played the run and crowded the line nearly the entire game.
SEC teams will be much tougher on defense than Oregon.
Yeah, I worry about LSU's offense executing against SEC defenses.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 9:00 am to just me
you really are mad. 
only thing that could be better than watching you melt like this would be if JJ had never gotten tossed or returns and reverts back to what we were all used to seeing.
You would have to just quit posting then.
only thing that could be better than watching you melt like this would be if JJ had never gotten tossed or returns and reverts back to what we were all used to seeing.
You would have to just quit posting then.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 9:02 am to TIGRLEE
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Half of credit goes to coaches.
Half of credit goes to new improved qb play.
Fair?
Honestly...no, not really, because we're clearly comparing apples to oranges.
Look...is anyone REALLY going to sit here and suggest the reason we're not seeing players run in at the last minute like chickens with their heads cut off is due to the QB play? The fact that we seem to, on offense, have an identity, rather than as Gordy Rush put it last year being a jack of all trades and a master of none? Is anyone going to suggest that the offense, so far, looks DRAMATICALLY simpler than the one BOTH QB's struggled under the past 4 years? How honest is it of anyone to suggest that the cluster frick of an offense that was being run in the previous three seasons which saw both QB's struggle mightily under did not have a dramatic effect on just how bad our QB's looked?
I don't think any of us who have defended Jefferson as a person in regards to what he's accused of with the fight have EVER suggested he was a stellar QB thus far...but during the past 3 years hasn't everyone here been suggesting that what JJ needed was a simpler offensive scheme? Isn't that EXACTLY what it looks like we have now?
There's NO QUESTION the offense looks better so far in 2011...but I think it's simply intellectually dishonest to lay this turn around at the foot of the QB's who, by even the most sycophantic Lee fans admission will admit he's not really being asked to do anything of note thus far.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 9:04 am to ATLTiger
Having an actual QB with talent is the best tool you can give an OC. Without it, it doesn't matter who calls the plays. Even if Crowton had stayed, we would be better off this year now that we start a passing QB with a brain. We get improvement on the sideline and on the field. Win win.
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