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re: It could be worse, NCAA coulda fked us over like Maryland just now. How is this an out????

Posted on 6/7/22 at 8:54 am to
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
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Posted on 6/7/22 at 8:54 am to
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In the case that was explained to me the runner was running from 2nd to 3rd so it might be different running to first. I have heard the foul territory 2/3 rule as well but I think that’s more of a policy than an actual stated rule


There is no runner's lane on any base except 1st. On any other base the base path is established in a straight line from the runner to the base they are attempting to achieve at that time a play is attempted on him. So if he runs through first into the outfield and THEN attempts to run to second, the path is established in a straight line from the point in the outfield to second base, assuming a play is being attempted on him at that point.

In a rundown, the runner re-establishes a new path every time the ball is thrown and a change of direction takes place.

As for the runner's lane on the way to first... it is not a policy... it is an actual written rule in every rule-set of baseball... NFHS, NCAA, OBR
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
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Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:08 am to
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The umpire should not have made that call imo.


Yea we don't really have that option.

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Jeff Head loves to “be right” and “be smarter” than you. His pompous BS got in the way of the right call in this situation.


People love to comment on umpires that there is no accountability (not here but in most umpire related threads). What they don't understand is that we as umpires are graded on every call. We don't have the ability to say "ahhh you know what I dont want to ruffle any feathers so I'm going to unilaterally choose not to enforce this rule." You know why? because we'd get downgraded. We are charged with being an unbiased enforcement arm of the game of baseball. We don't get to choose when the moment is too big to enforce this rule or that rule.

In the moment, Jeff Head, who in my opinion is one of the better umpires (3 CWS appearances since 2011), got it right and did so in a manner that will get him positive marks on his evaluation. Then he had enough game management skills to be able to recognize the emotions of the moment and not start ejecting coaches and players for arguing. That is where he has the leeway. He has the ability to give a little more leash in high leverage situations. That's what makes him a great umpire.
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:09 am to
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That play could’ve gone to review but they wouldn’t be able to see shite.



It did go to review and was confirmed.
Posted by Broyota2
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:11 am to
I got thrown out in a high school playoff game for this exact same play because I wasn't completely on the right side of the line. Its bullshite but apparently its in the rule book.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:13 am to
it was the clearly the correct call. Ironic that the runner would've been safe if he'd run in the correct lane.
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
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Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:14 am to
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I got thrown out in a high school playoff game for this exact same play because I wasn't completely on the right side of the line. Its bull shite but apparently its in the rule book.



Thrown out as in ejected? or as in called out?
Posted by Broyota2
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:15 am to
should clarify called out
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
20151 posts
Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:15 am to
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What they don't understand is that we as umpires are graded on every call. We don't have the ability to say "ahhh you know what I dont want to ruffle any feathers so I'm going to unilaterally choose not to enforce this rule." You know why? because we'd get downgraded
same is true in basketball, yet too many posters think referees and umprires can "cheat" with impunity.

They're graded by their superiors on every single call. And it takes YEARS or DECADES to rise to the major college level. Refs and umps aren't going to throw that all away to cheat for a particular team.

Do they make mistakes? Sure. But with incredibly rare exceptions, they do their best and don't cheat.
Posted by Cracker
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Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:16 am to
What if he was going for 2 nd then what?
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
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Member since Sep 2015
3383 posts
Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:22 am to
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What if he was going for 2 nd then what?


Are you asking "what if the runners was going to second on this play?"

The answer is that he must legally obtain 1st base before he can go to second.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49545 posts
Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:46 am to
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As for the runner's lane on the way to first... it is not a policy... it is an actual written rule in every rule-set of baseball...

yes - any non-teenager who doesn't know this has never played serious baseball, or got the bat on the ball very often.
edit - deleted remainder of post - misread the comment.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 9:48 am
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:47 am to
Those lines are there for a reason.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
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Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:50 am to
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There is no runner's lane on any base except 1st. On any other base the base path is established in a straight line from the runner to the base they are attempting to achieve at that time a play is attempted on him. So if he runs through first into the outfield and THEN attempts to run to second, the path is established in a straight line from the point in the outfield to second base, assuming a play is being attempted on him at that point.
This is one of the most misunderstood rules of baseball. About 50% of the games I watch someone talks about running out of the 'baseline'
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49545 posts
Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:54 am to
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baseman wasn’t catching that bad throw

It was only a "bad throw" because the runner was inside the field of play when he should have been in foul territory. That is the REASON for the rule = so you cannot bunt a ball into to area between the pitcher's mound and 1st base, then run into that area to deny the fielder a legitimate chance to throw the runner out.

The runner did the exact thing the rule was developed to prevent.

I know this because it was part of my hitting 'strategy' when I was first beginning to play baseball - I was good at it too - but finally ran up against an UMP who knew the rules and FU&FO.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
59878 posts
Posted on 6/7/22 at 10:30 am to
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nterference or not, the fist baseman wasn’t catching that bad throw. He’s safe, bull shite call ump.


Could he have reasonably caught the ball if the batter was not interfering with the throw and catch. Based on the video I would say yes so that is clearly RLI (Runners lane interference)

The runner altered the throw so that plays in too.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 10:31 am
Posted by TigerPoop69
Member since Jun 2022
7 posts
Posted on 6/7/22 at 3:12 pm to
This is the rule: "SECTION 51. The act of an offensive player, umpire or nongame person who interferes with; physically or verbally hinders; confuses; or impedes any fielder attempting to make a play."

The number of people on Twitter arguing that the other side doesn't know the rules and this was clearly interference is actually insane. Read the rule. Read it again. Then read it one more time..Did the offensive player impede the fielder from making a play?No. He did not. He ran up the line and through the base. The UConn first baseman is crowding the base. There is no way the runner could've gone around him and avoided a collision.
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
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Member since Sep 2015
3383 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 8:01 am to
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This is the rule: "SECTION 51. The act of an offensive player, umpire or nongame person who interferes with; physically or verbally hinders; confuses; or impedes any fielder attempting to make a play."


This is not the rule being enforced here.

The rule being enforced here is 7-11 p:

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A batter is out when:

p. In running the last half of the distance from home plate to first base while the ball is being fielded to first base, the batter-runner runs outside the 3-foot restraining line or inside the foul line and, in so doing, interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, except that the batter may go outside
these lines to avoid a fielder attempting to field a batted ball;

Note 1: If the batter-runner is running illegally to first base and his being outside the lane alters the throw of a fielder, hinders or alters a fielder’s opportunity to field the throw, or the batter-runner is hit by the throw that has been made in an attempt to
make a play, it shall be called interference and the batter-runner is to be called out.

Exception—The batter-runner is permitted to exit the three-foot running lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the immediate vicinity of first base and for the sole purpose of touching first or attempting to avoid a tag. He may exit the running lane on his last stride or step if he has been running legally within the running lane up to that point.

Note 2: The batter-runner is considered outside this 3-foot lane if either foot is outside either line



It can be found on the bottom of page 68 and top of page 69 of the official 2021-2022 NCAA Baseball Rule Book
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 8:05 am
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
Down Seven Bridges Rd
Member since Sep 2015
3383 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 8:06 am to
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TigerPoop69


What a terrible first post. Not only is it factually wrong, it is completely void of any actual reason, and it ignored the fact that the actual rule and link to the rule book was posted a couple of pages back. Just because you "think" something different, doesn't mean you should type it with the general hubris of "Read the rule. Read it again. Then read it one more time."

Maybe create another screen name and try again.
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 8:10 am
Posted by MEd LSU
Member since Dec 2018
3687 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 8:21 am to
That umpire was wrong. That only applies going 1-2 2-3 3-Hi Additionally, offense player causing contact is called interference. Defensive player making contact is called obstruction. This was a clear interference from tall to MLB
Posted by MEd LSU
Member since Dec 2018
3687 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 8:25 am to
So if YOU don’t like a rule the it doesn’t apply. You must be friends with Hunt Palmer
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