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re: Is Trent's Return Next Season a Done Deal?
Posted on 3/15/12 at 8:23 am to Tigerfan7218
Posted on 3/15/12 at 8:23 am to Tigerfan7218
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Are you really telling me that you think there aren't teams who missed out on the NCAA tournament that were better than:
Vermont
Montana
UNC-Ashville
Long Beach State
Western Kentucky
etc.?
Are you really trying to tell me that LSU is better than those teams? Because that is all that matters.
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Posted on 3/15/12 at 8:25 am to ellessuuuu
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Actually at this point in Brady's career (ie 4 years in) he only had 20 SEC wins (one shared SEC title) and one NCAA Tournament Appearance (Sweet 16)
TJ has 25 SEC wins (One outright SEC Title), One NCAA Appearance (2nd Round) and one NIT Appearance.
Brady was also under harsh sanctions from Dale Brown shenanigans. And Trent Johnson inherited WAY more talent than Brady did. Most of those 25 wins came with Brady's players.
This post was edited on 3/15/12 at 8:26 am
Posted on 3/15/12 at 8:45 am to ellessuuuu
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Actually at this point in Brady's career (ie 4 years in) he only had 20 SEC wins (one shared SEC title) and one NCAA Tournament Appearance (Sweet 16)
TJ has 25 SEC wins (One outright SEC Title), One NCAA Appearance (2nd Round) and one NIT Appearance.
Brady didn't inherit the talent that Johnson was left with in his first year. Johnson's apparent weakness is in recruiting. That first season is no indication of recruiting ability, since he didn't recruit any of the players on that team. Brady inherited a team about like the one Johnson had in 2010 following the departure of practically all the contributors to that 2009 season. In three years of rebuilding from nothing, Brady, under severe scholarship reductions from the NCAA, built the 2000 SEC championship team that went to the Sweet 16. In the same amount of time, with no sanctions, Johnson built an 18-15, 8th place SEC team that got blown out by 20 in the first round of the NIT.
Posted on 3/15/12 at 8:49 am to lsu4life77
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look at coach K's record in his first 4 years @ Duke
6-8
4-10
3-11
7-7
OK, Trent Johnson is Coach K. Great. Can't wait for all the national championships to start rolling in.
Posted on 3/15/12 at 9:00 am to aglandry
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One would swear LSU has been an elite basketball power.LSU has won one SEC Tournament title in 1980 and reached the SEC tournament finals in 1993.That record hardly speaks of some type of basketball power
Thank goodness we had Bob Brodhead instead of you considering whether to get rid of Jack Lamabe and hire Skip Bertman back in 1984. We had never done shite in baseball in the past, so the most reasonable course of action would have been to accept that we could never be a baseball powerhouse and just keep going with Lamabe. Right?
I'm glad Brodhead didn't think like you do.
And I love how you focus solely on the SEC tournament, which is fricking meaningless. We won SEC Championships in 1979, 1981, 1985 and 1991 under Dale Brown, and in 2000 and 2006 under John Brady. We went to the Final Four in 1981, 1986 and 2006, the Elite Eight in 1980 and 1987, the Sweet 16 in 1979 and 2000.
Yes, Dale lost a big lead against Kentucky once. He beat the living hell out of Kentucky a bunch of times, too.
The fact is that LSU has a pretty good argument for being in the top 3 or so of the SEC in basketball history, but even if we didn't, it still wouldn't justify your defeatist mentality that says we shouldn't even try to be great because we haven't been before.
I really cannot understand the people who think that way. If it's impossible to be great, then why are we wasting our time with basketball at all? Just shut down the program and be done with it if there's no hope of becoming an elite program. I mean, just because Florida did it and Ohio State did it and Texas did it and Missouri did it and Arkansas did it and Duke did it and Michigan did it doesn't mean LSU can do it, or that we should even try. Right?
This post was edited on 3/15/12 at 11:10 am
Posted on 3/15/12 at 9:01 am to aglandry
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The delusional LSU fan base wanted Miles fired for winning 13 games and having the best coaching record in LSU football history
Good plan. Argue with that straw man, cause you sure aren't making any headway against actual people.
Posted on 3/15/12 at 9:03 am to Nuts4LSU
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Nuts4LSU
Very well said and I fully agree with your sentiments.
Posted on 3/15/12 at 9:05 am to Nuts4LSU
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We won SEC Championships in 1979, 1981, 1991 and 1995 under Dale Brown, and in 2000 and 2006 under John Brady.
we won it in 2009 under Trent Johnson too
Posted on 3/15/12 at 9:26 am to Nuts4LSU
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The fact is that LSU has a pretty good argument for being in the top 3 or so of the SEC in basketball history
If my calculations are right: (Please correct me if I'm wrong)
LSU SEC winning percentage all time is 50.2% (606-602)
LSU SEC winning percentage from the Dale, Brady, Johnson era is 50.3% (342-337)
They had some great years no doubt, but that doesn't scream a top tier program, seems average to me.
Posted on 3/15/12 at 10:56 am to Nuts4LSU
quote:+1,000,000,000,000
Thank goodness we had Bob Brodhead instead of you considering whether to get rid of Jack Lamabe and hire Skip Bertman back in 1984. We had never done shite in baseball in the past, so the most reasonable course of action would have been to accept that we could never be a baseball powerhouse and just keep going with Lamabe. Right?
I'm glad Brodhead didn't think like you do.
And I love how you focus solely on the SEC tournament, which is fricking meaningless. We won SEC Championships in 1979, 1981, 1991 and 1995 under Dale Brown, and in 2000 and 2006 under John Brady. We went to the Final Four in 1981, 1986 and 2006, the Elite Eight in 1980 and 1987, the Sweet 16 in 1979 and 2000.
Yes, Dale lost a big lead against Kentucky once. He beat the living hell out of Kentucky a bunch of times, too.
The fact is that LSU has a pretty good argument for being in the top 3 or so of the SEC in basketball history, but even if we didn't, it still wouldn't justify your defeatist mentality that says we shouldn't even try to be great because we haven't been before.
I really cannot understand the people who think that way. If it's impossible to be great, then why are we wasting our time with basketball at all? Just shut down the program and be done with it if there's no hope of becoming an elite program. I mean, just because Florida did it and Ohio State did it and Texas did it and Missouri did it and Arkansas did it and Duke did it and Michigan did it doesn't mean LSU can do it, or that we should even try. Right?
Nuts4LSU:
I couldn't have said it better! LSU has been and can be again a great, dominant program. There's no reason to accept mediocrity. 
Posted on 3/15/12 at 11:06 am to LasVegasTiger
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If my calculations are right: (Please correct me if I'm wrong)
LSU SEC winning percentage all time is 50.2% (606-602)
LSU SEC winning percentage from the Dale, Brady, Johnson era is 50.3% (342-337)
They had some great years no doubt, but that doesn't scream a top tier program, seems average to me.
SEC titles: LSU is 2nd behind Kentucky
NCAA tournament appearances: LSU is 3rd behind Kentucky and Arkansas, tied with Alabama
Final Four appearances: LSU is 3rd behind Kentucky and Arkansas, tied with Florida
As for the all-time winning percentage and the time since Dale Brown, obviously those numbers are brought down by Brady's and Johnson's combined 99-132 record over the last 15 years. Back out those numbers and you get...
all time: 507-470 (.519)
Dale Brown: 243-205 (.542)
Not spectacular, but then outside of Kentucky, nobody in the SEC is all that spectacular. Also, Dale's record was a lot better until he went to sleep at the wheel for the last four years of his career.
Our 10 straight NCAA tournament appearances from 1984-93 was one of the four or five longest in the nation at the time, and we made 15 straight postseason tournament appearances (13 NCAA, 2 NIT) from 1979 through 1993.
Until 2006, we had a good argument against anybody else in the conference except Kentucky and Arkansas, but since then, Florida has surpassed us, so we are probably the 4th best basketball program in the SEC historically. When Missouri gets in, we may drop to 5th since they are obviously better than we are right now, although I'm not all that familiar with the details of their all-time accomplishments.
This post was edited on 3/15/12 at 11:14 am
Posted on 3/15/12 at 11:56 am to Iam4LSUnTN
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According to Alleva he has said that we are building back this program the right way.
we are technically, but there is nothing 'right' about the on court product. i'm not asking trent to get in goods with world wide wes but frick, can we please learn to catch with two hands, rebound with two hands, pass with two hands, block out, set screens without looking like some kind of mongoloid trying to hump a c.b. radio, have something that resembles a halfcourt offense other than the occasional shuffle cut that usually results in a weak layup getting swatted away. hey, there's always a 40 foot three attempt from stringer to bail us out. i don't know how we'll replace storm's foul line jumpers against the zone. maybe we'll win a game in the NIT next year or keep it within 20.
Posted on 3/15/12 at 12:00 pm to S
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maybe we'll win a game in the NIT next year or keep it within 20.
Dude get a grip. It's NCAA or bust next year and everyone knows that. Just the way it should be.
Posted on 3/15/12 at 12:01 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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It's NCAA or bust next year and everyone knows that
That's what this season was supposed to be.
Posted on 3/15/12 at 12:07 pm to saintsfan22
and probably the most aggravating thing for me...this team just can't cherry pick when to turn that switch on or off, they need to play every game like it's a postseason game. every possession. you'll win some, you'll lose some, but you won't be saying 'you know, when we play hard we are really good.' you'll say we played hard but it just didn't fall tonight.
just play harder, tougher, or they will continue to get smacked around by teams with equal or slightly better talent more often than not.
just play harder, tougher, or they will continue to get smacked around by teams with equal or slightly better talent more often than not.
Posted on 3/15/12 at 12:09 pm to saintsfan22
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That's what this season was supposed to be.
In what fricking world? Nobody said those were the expectations before the season after winning 2-3 sec games the past 2 years.
GTFO with ur lies.
Posted on 3/15/12 at 12:13 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Okay, was looking to see if a certain poster posted and they didn't. I did not read this but here is the real answer. Take it for what you may.
This is almost exactly what came out of TJ's mouth, "No disrespect to the coaches here before me but I wish I would have gotten here a year earlier with that talent. Now, I am sure a lot of people want me out this year. This isn't the Nevada days though. Leaving before a contract is up isn't happening [Big Laugh]. People can get over it."
This is almost exactly what came out of TJ's mouth, "No disrespect to the coaches here before me but I wish I would have gotten here a year earlier with that talent. Now, I am sure a lot of people want me out this year. This isn't the Nevada days though. Leaving before a contract is up isn't happening [Big Laugh]. People can get over it."
Posted on 3/15/12 at 12:20 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Damn you mad people are questioning your precious Trent. If you there wasn't hundreds of post at this time last year that said Trent was in a NCAA or bust season then let Jaime Lloreda strike me down. Posted on 3/15/12 at 12:31 pm to saintsfan22
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Damn you mad people are questioning your precious Trent. If you there wasn't hundreds of post at this time last year that said Trent was in a NCAA or bust season then let Jaime Lloreda strike me down.
If you expected NCAA this year you were delusional. It was possible but shouldn't have been expected. Next year, it's expected.
Why is he my precious Trent? Because I feel like giving a proven coach who has already had one of the best seasons in school
History in his first year 5 years to rebuild the program?
Damn I'm blindly supporting him I guess.
Posted on 3/15/12 at 12:34 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Why is he my precious Trent?
You've been up his arse defending blindly all season.
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