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re: Is this D 2011 type good (**updated)
Posted on 8/19/18 at 11:17 am to Upperdecker
Posted on 8/19/18 at 11:17 am to Upperdecker
This D has the potential to be dominant, but after re-watching part of a certain November 2011 game last week, there may never be an LSU defense better than 2011. Playmakers all over the field and depth at all positions.
That being said, I hope the 2018 D plays up to its potential. If it does, they should be in every game down to the last possession regardless of the opponent.
That being said, I hope the 2018 D plays up to its potential. If it does, they should be in every game down to the last possession regardless of the opponent.
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Posted on 8/19/18 at 11:22 am to Abe1961
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Was Claiborne all American before the season?
No.
Did the lack of an award from the 2010 season somehow have an impact on Claiborne's 2011 season?
Was Mathieu a Heisman finalist before the 2011 season?
Posted on 8/19/18 at 11:29 am to geauxcoco
It can be.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 11:34 am to geauxcoco
I think this D can absolutely be great and one of the best in the country this year. 2011 was special though man, a big outlier.
Perhaps someone will step up, who knows, but I don’t think we have a gamechanger like Mathieu on the team. He’s a unique breed of player
Perhaps someone will step up, who knows, but I don’t think we have a gamechanger like Mathieu on the team. He’s a unique breed of player
Posted on 8/19/18 at 11:37 am to NorthEndZone
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That being said, I hope the 2018 D plays up to its potential. If it does, they should be in every game down to the last possession regardless of the opponent
True. This year’s defense can be very very good and keep us in and even win us some games.
But it isn’t even remotely fair to compare them to the 2011 D.
If they stack up after the season then we can make comparisons. But until they prove it on the field, I’m not sure any one from this team besides D White would see the field for the 2011 team. For sure not as a starter.
Edit for clarification. White would absolutely start on the 2011 team.
This post was edited on 8/19/18 at 11:38 am
Posted on 8/19/18 at 11:58 am to geauxcoco
No. There is no on as of yet anywhere near the proven player that Mathieu was. His playmaking ability is what made that defense. Also, LSU has multiple proven stud pass rushers on that team in Montgomery and Mingo. LSU has zero on this team and Chaisson has yet to prove anything as far as being a game changer.
LSU has one DB on the level of that team in 2011 in Greedy. They are weaker at safety by a significant margin and second corner along with the Nickel corner.
In the end, this will be a good defense, but nowhere near that one. People are honestly setting this defense up for disappointment with this undeserved praise.
LSU has one DB on the level of that team in 2011 in Greedy. They are weaker at safety by a significant margin and second corner along with the Nickel corner.
In the end, this will be a good defense, but nowhere near that one. People are honestly setting this defense up for disappointment with this undeserved praise.
This post was edited on 8/19/18 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:03 pm to Open Your Eyes
Greedy will have a better nfl career than Claiborne. Accolades don’t mean you’re a better player.
Josh Norman has probably had the best career out of any corner in that draft class as Claiborne and look where he got picked.
You are using accolades to determine who is the better player/prospect. It doesn’t work like that.
Josh Norman has probably had the best career out of any corner in that draft class as Claiborne and look where he got picked.
You are using accolades to determine who is the better player/prospect. It doesn’t work like that.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:16 pm to sunnydaze
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Greedy will have a better nfl career than Claiborne. Accolades don’t mean you’re a better player
1. We don’t really know that. And Claiborne got drafted into a defense that didn’t really fit his skill set.
2. How a player projects in the NFL is completely irrelevant to the current discussion. Tim Tebow and Johnny Manzeil are not in the NFL, but they were incredible college football players.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:17 pm to sunnydaze
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Greedy will have a better nfl career than Claiborne.
What does that have to do with how good each was/will be at Lsu?
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Accolades don’t mean you’re a better player.
1. Then why did you ask if I thought williams will be an all-American this year?
2. Actually that's exactly what they mean.
Thorpe award = best DB in college football
SEC Defensive Player of the Year = best defensive player in the SEC
Unanimous first team all-American = best player at your position in the country
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Josh Norman has probably had the best career out of any corner in that draft class as Claiborne and look where he got picked.
What does josh Norman's NFL career have to do with how good Morris Claiborne was at lsu?
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You are using accolades to determine who is the better player/prospect.
You're attempting to bring future NFL production into a discussion about the best college football players. The word "prospect" was never mentioned in this thread until you brought it up.
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It doesn’t work like that.
Yes, accolades determine the best college players are exactly how it works. What doesn't work is using actual or projected NFL performance to determine the best college players.
You keep on making shite up though. Maybe next time you can tell me more about how team success impacts all-American choices.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:20 pm to sunnydaze
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You are using accolades to determine who is the better player/prospect. It doesn’t work like that.
I think he is using actual college football production rather than hope and potential.
That’s not a knock on Greedy. He is a great player and MIGHT wind up better than Claiborne. But a great freshman year doesn’t prove that.
This post was edited on 8/19/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:21 pm to geauxcoco
2011 had studs in each level of the D. Then it had Mathieu as the X Factor.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:22 pm to Mr. Wayne
The question mark with DL is if Shelvin and Alexander can play up to their potential..
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:31 pm to memphis tiger
So greedy hasn’t been productive? 
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:34 pm to sunnydaze
Without Mathieu and Wing we drop at least two more games in 2011
We don't have a Mathieu or Wing this year
We don't have a Mathieu or Wing this year
This post was edited on 8/19/18 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:38 pm to sunnydaze
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So greedy hasn’t been productive
Quote where I said Greedy wasn’t productive.
What I said was that I would not definitively say he’s better than Claiborne just because he had a great freshman year. And that NFL projections are not relevant to this discussion.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:39 pm to Bmath
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2011 had studs in each level of the D. Then it had Mathieu as the X Factor.
Very true....but you have to be damn excited about Lawrence, White and Greedy at each level of our D...not to mention Chaisson off the edge.
X factor: Aranda.
Thx for all the input. We still need to see what this D can do before we can really compare. But I agree....2011 was ridiculous and most likely will never be topped.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:41 pm to Mr. Wayne
Yes
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:43 pm to geauxcoco
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If so, we are in for a treat. If Lee and Jefferswag can find a way to get it done, I have faith in Brennan and Burrow. I know there is no honey badger, but now we have Aranda....who imo is the X-factor now. With great special teams and kicking game...along with this D. We will find a away to create points. Here’s to hoping this D is
Tyrann Matheiu was a once in a decade type of player...
Besides his very versatile skill set as a DB, that is, being able to cover and play close to the line, he was also a factor in every phase of the special teams, returning kicks and being a Gunner on coverage units....I mean to think you'll just have this kind of guy capable of such an array of skills on every defense is more than a pipe dream....
That said, this defense does feature not only multiple future high round draft picks but has a couple of guys who are projected to be top 20/at least first round picks and the type of plays that Tyrann was capable of by himself are spread out amongst the players as a whole. Everything tyrann could do is in this guy and that guy and I have full faith in the fact that the type of big plays and elite athletic ability will be showcased the entire year, it will just be multiple players that wind up making those plays. This defense absolutely has a chance to be as good if not better than the 2011 defense and if it weren't for the clear lack of great cornerback play behind greedy then I would say that it could be the best defensive unit that was ever fielded at LSU. This unit has a chance to be that good overall. Just need to shore up the starter opposite greedy and the nickel guy and get them truly established. When and if that happens we will all see possibly the best overall defense of this upcoming season and one that will be historically great.
This post was edited on 8/19/18 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 8/19/18 at 12:45 pm to HighlandRD_ZERO25
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being able to cover
Coverage was Mathieu's weakness, which Bama figured out in the NCG. No knock on Mathieu -- you can't be good at everything.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 1:00 pm to HighlandRD_ZERO25
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Tyrann Matheiu was a once in a decade type of player..
Naw. He was the best defensive player in LSU history.
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