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Posted on 9/27/09 at 11:01 pm to Doc Fenton
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Kelvin Sheppard has been a huge disappointment. I really think the defense is above standard if he learns to plug gaps rather than letting himself get blocked so easily by guards and tackles 5 and 10 yards down the field from the line of scrimmage.
The Cutrera loss is huge. If the injury is serious, then that's really going to hurt the defense big time. It's a much bigger deal than most people realize, I think.
I'd like to see Sheppard eat some pine for a while. Keep Coleman at SLB, move Riley to MLB and replace him at WLB with Baker.
Chavis's LB substitution was non-existent in the 4th Quarter when they were wearing down. You could see the dead legs, the arm-tackles, the lunging at the ballcarrier. Jordy mentioned that in the 4th Quarter, the defense pleaded with the offense to start sustaining drives; that they were running out of gas. MSU had a 2:1 TOP ratio against us in the second half. Not substituting for those LB's in the last three MSU drives almost cost us the game. Of course, the inability to get off the field on D doesn't help them either.
Posted on 9/27/09 at 11:11 pm to PiscesTiger
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I'm going to give you the truth about the defense
You lie!
Posted on 9/27/09 at 11:28 pm to PiscesTiger
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Aside from Patrick Peterson and Rahim Alem, and maybe the athetic (but far from dominating) Chad Jones, give me a playmaker...go ahead. Ron Brooks and Ryan Baker lovers - sorry, but no...not when they're playing 9 minutes a game.
I'm sorry - Patrick Peterson is a playmaker. It is either biased or shortsighted to compare the 2009 LB corps with Dunson/Smith/Hill. While I wish the tackling was better (and the LBs are no better or worse than the other groups, though tackling should be the LB's forte), the defense is playing better. On Saturday, they gave up 7 out of 24 points on a short field of 1 yard, they scored 6 points (the difference in the game), and they took the ball away several other times.
The LSU offense only scored 17 points on Saturday. Right now, tackling, rushing offense and scoring offense are the key problems on the team.
Posted on 9/27/09 at 11:30 pm to Camron
I agree with everything, except the headhunting. I think they're trying too hard to take someone's head off, instead of wrapping people up, and proper tackling technique. Basically, instead of trying to make the highlight reel, they need to be focused on making the taclke.
Posted on 9/27/09 at 11:40 pm to PiscesTiger
Our three leading tacklers in order
1) Harry Coleman 29 (Projected 87)
2) Perry Riley 28 (Projected 84)
3) Kelvin Sheppard 26 (Projected 78)
not flashy but they are there.
1) Harry Coleman 29 (Projected 87)
2) Perry Riley 28 (Projected 84)
3) Kelvin Sheppard 26 (Projected 78)
not flashy but they are there.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 12:04 am to PiscesTiger
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I'm going to give you the truth about the defense
UGA probably saw what Dixon was doing in the 4th. Noted.
Yea, and LSU saw what Arizona St did in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. That game is a bigger question mark than LSU-MSU. Bulldogs look bad.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 12:10 am to PiscesTiger
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PiscesTiger
Save your argument till after next weekend. Trust me it will be a great one.
This post was edited on 9/28/09 at 12:11 am
Posted on 9/28/09 at 12:24 am to PiscesTiger
Very true.
Honestly, the goal-line stand is the first time I've seen our defense look like the defense we've come to know and love in probably 2 and 1/2 years.
Not just because we made the stop (which is partially due to MSU being totally inept down there) but the attitude was there. Peterson went nuts on the 4th down stop. Chad Jones played those downs with a fire under his arse. The d-line actually blew off the ball and got under their lineman. They played with attitude and intensity... which are two of the key attributes from a defense...
I think Perry Riley deserves mention as a playmaker though. He can disappear sometimes... but the guy enforces his will on the offense at times when he's put in position...
Here's to hoping the goalline stand will generate the kind of confidence and attitude our d needs to dominate...
Honestly, the goal-line stand is the first time I've seen our defense look like the defense we've come to know and love in probably 2 and 1/2 years.
Not just because we made the stop (which is partially due to MSU being totally inept down there) but the attitude was there. Peterson went nuts on the 4th down stop. Chad Jones played those downs with a fire under his arse. The d-line actually blew off the ball and got under their lineman. They played with attitude and intensity... which are two of the key attributes from a defense...
I think Perry Riley deserves mention as a playmaker though. He can disappear sometimes... but the guy enforces his will on the offense at times when he's put in position...
Here's to hoping the goalline stand will generate the kind of confidence and attitude our d needs to dominate...
Posted on 9/28/09 at 2:20 am to Woodman
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questioned the two from Stone Mt Georgia even getting offers. Now they are the starters. While they've earned their time to be there, I haven't seen the development of others who emerged.
yeah buddy... go ahead and tell #56 that
oh and pisces go ahead and tell me what impreseed you about ole miss and uga?
absolutely nothing,that's what i thought
This post was edited on 9/28/09 at 2:27 am
Posted on 9/28/09 at 3:05 am to dgnx6
Let's get a couple of things straight.
1) The landscape of college football has changed. Regardless of positions/opinions of the spread offense, intelligent people recognize that the college game is different since that style became so popular.
2) you are absolutely right that our defense isn't as visibly dominant as teams in the past.
However, as we know from statistics - correlation doesn't equal causation.
Translation: there are hidden variables, namely the spread offense! If it didn't give defenses (especially at big name/high rank schools) trouble, it wouldn't have become popular in the first place.
What this means is you CANNOT...LET ME REITERATE, CANNOT...compare the defenses because they face vastly different looks from the other side of the ball.
Chad Lavalais didn't have to worry about mobile QB's nearly as much as Dorsey or Alem, so he knew when he got through that line that the play was busted.
This isn't the case anymore, now DB's have to worry about a QB who can zip around a backfield and A) plant and throw if the DB commits, or B) nab first-down yardage if he doesn't! 3rd down today and 5 years ago are two different playbooks!
my point is this: until someone invents the antidote to the (annoyingly) effective spread offense...at which point that defense will spread like wildfire across the CFB landscape...it's a much tougher job to be so physically dominant. I absolutely believe we have areas that our D can improve, but the (coach) headhunting and (player) bashing is both an overreaction as well as a misplaced one...
1) The landscape of college football has changed. Regardless of positions/opinions of the spread offense, intelligent people recognize that the college game is different since that style became so popular.
2) you are absolutely right that our defense isn't as visibly dominant as teams in the past.
However, as we know from statistics - correlation doesn't equal causation.
Translation: there are hidden variables, namely the spread offense! If it didn't give defenses (especially at big name/high rank schools) trouble, it wouldn't have become popular in the first place.
What this means is you CANNOT...LET ME REITERATE, CANNOT...compare the defenses because they face vastly different looks from the other side of the ball.
Chad Lavalais didn't have to worry about mobile QB's nearly as much as Dorsey or Alem, so he knew when he got through that line that the play was busted.
This isn't the case anymore, now DB's have to worry about a QB who can zip around a backfield and A) plant and throw if the DB commits, or B) nab first-down yardage if he doesn't! 3rd down today and 5 years ago are two different playbooks!
my point is this: until someone invents the antidote to the (annoyingly) effective spread offense...at which point that defense will spread like wildfire across the CFB landscape...it's a much tougher job to be so physically dominant. I absolutely believe we have areas that our D can improve, but the (coach) headhunting and (player) bashing is both an overreaction as well as a misplaced one...
Posted on 9/28/09 at 3:24 am to PiscesTiger
My take is since we have new defensive coaches (and scheme) that they are still thinking instead of reacting. I've noticed better play as the season has gone on (as have some of you). When the players have got the system down to the point of just reacting I feel you will see more big plays made. To quote someone we all know, "It's a process".
Posted on 9/28/09 at 5:59 am to tiger81
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The defense is not up to par, but UGA, Aubie, and Arky don't have defenses either.
Totally agree
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Expect some big shootouts in the next couple of weeks.
We are bringing a knife (power I with weak OL) to a gunfight. Could be ugly.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 6:36 am to cajunx2
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The defense has faced 4 straight spread option type offenses this year and have held their own considering the time of possession they are on the field this year. Spread offenses are the difference in college football.
Nebraksa disagrees. 55-0
Also, Goaline stand was awesome BUT who let that sorry offense get to the goaline in the first plance?
This post was edited on 9/28/09 at 6:38 am
Posted on 9/28/09 at 6:59 am to KLSU
agree...If the defense is wearing down...they need to get some 3 and outs themselves... 21 first downs for Miss. state....The middle was weak...Dixon ran over that defense...This is the SEC...we pride ourselves on defense...we are upset because our defense can't stop the offense from scoring and our offense can't put up enough points to win...we need a lot of work on both sides of the board.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 7:31 am to tavolatim
I understand where your coming from Pisces.
Here's what I see from this D right now:
We have a very avg DL right now. Nevis flashes his talent at times. Woods is a plugger as is CA. But, we have little depth at the position. It was evident in the 4th Q on Sat. They were worn out. At DE Alem is solid enough. I think a healthy Pep would help a TON. Agehyere(sp) and Edwards are RAW. My big question, on passing downs where is Sam Montgomery?
LB's are also mediocre. Riley makes plays, but also gets lost. Cutrera does some good things, but seems to lose the ball at times. Shepard looks like Tarazan every so often, then reverts to Jane. I like Coleman because he's active and plays with a mean streak. Where in the world is Baker? I'd love to know why he doesn't get a few series here and there. Maybe, there is a reason other than seniority crap. He sure helped make a huge play by the goal line.
DB's- Peterson is a future 1st rounder. I must say Hawkins is playing pretty well also. Then the problems start. C.Jones is completely lost out there. I watches several plays in the 1st half where he was clueless and his man was wide open. B.Taylor is young and it shows. He'll make a few plays, then get caught out of position. Hatcher is about the same. Loston is a tough ? to answer. He came in so late, it's hard to just throw him out there. But, given the talent I think you have to find him snaps much like Shepard on Offense.
Chavis' D- It's alright. One thing we need is patience. Not having a dominant DL will make any defense look suspect. I see some good things. I also see a little more aggression from the scheme. Problem is you still have some young players who just aren't quite sure where they should be. 1 example- On one of the long passes from MSU. We blitzed Taylor off the corner. The DE(not sure which one) takes an outside rush. Problem is he all but blocked Taylor's lane to the QB. Both almost made the sack, Lee escaped and completes the pass. Had the DE simply went straight at the blocker or even used inside leverage, either the DE or Taylor would have made a huge play. That's happened a few times.
Here's what I see from this D right now:
We have a very avg DL right now. Nevis flashes his talent at times. Woods is a plugger as is CA. But, we have little depth at the position. It was evident in the 4th Q on Sat. They were worn out. At DE Alem is solid enough. I think a healthy Pep would help a TON. Agehyere(sp) and Edwards are RAW. My big question, on passing downs where is Sam Montgomery?
LB's are also mediocre. Riley makes plays, but also gets lost. Cutrera does some good things, but seems to lose the ball at times. Shepard looks like Tarazan every so often, then reverts to Jane. I like Coleman because he's active and plays with a mean streak. Where in the world is Baker? I'd love to know why he doesn't get a few series here and there. Maybe, there is a reason other than seniority crap. He sure helped make a huge play by the goal line.
DB's- Peterson is a future 1st rounder. I must say Hawkins is playing pretty well also. Then the problems start. C.Jones is completely lost out there. I watches several plays in the 1st half where he was clueless and his man was wide open. B.Taylor is young and it shows. He'll make a few plays, then get caught out of position. Hatcher is about the same. Loston is a tough ? to answer. He came in so late, it's hard to just throw him out there. But, given the talent I think you have to find him snaps much like Shepard on Offense.
Chavis' D- It's alright. One thing we need is patience. Not having a dominant DL will make any defense look suspect. I see some good things. I also see a little more aggression from the scheme. Problem is you still have some young players who just aren't quite sure where they should be. 1 example- On one of the long passes from MSU. We blitzed Taylor off the corner. The DE(not sure which one) takes an outside rush. Problem is he all but blocked Taylor's lane to the QB. Both almost made the sack, Lee escaped and completes the pass. Had the DE simply went straight at the blocker or even used inside leverage, either the DE or Taylor would have made a huge play. That's happened a few times.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 10:39 am to dgnx6
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oh and pisces go ahead and tell me what impreseed you about ole miss and uga?
Has nothing...and I mean nothing to do with my concerns about this defense.
What impressed you about Miss State might be a better, more appropriate question.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 10:39 am to dgnx6
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oh and pisces go ahead and tell me what impreseed you about ole miss and uga?
Has nothing...and I mean nothing to do with my concerns about this defense.
What impressed you about Miss State might be a better, more appropriate question.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 11:08 am to PiscesTiger
Anyone listen to Ott this morning? He might have had his all-time best take on this team and defense/offense/special teams.
Posted on 9/28/09 at 11:18 am to PiscesTiger
Not to keep bumping my own thread - okay, yes...I am bumping but I am here to take on all comers.
I have read the "This isn't the same as back then" comments quite a bit. Enough. Every defense, in this era, should be equipped to stop whatever the fad seems to be - be it the veer, the spread, the Notre Dame Box, the quadruple option with the guard around threat.
So, ok...Michael Brooks and Chad Lavalais didn't defend the multitude of threats that Perry Riley and Al Woods are currently facing. Ok, so where are the personnel that can be the dominating play-makers?
No knock on Riley...he's a decent player, but he's no game changer. Hultberg and Miles and Inside LSU Football would have made you believe otherwise last night.
Ok, I should be working...but I can't tear myself away from today's crack.
I have read the "This isn't the same as back then" comments quite a bit. Enough. Every defense, in this era, should be equipped to stop whatever the fad seems to be - be it the veer, the spread, the Notre Dame Box, the quadruple option with the guard around threat.
So, ok...Michael Brooks and Chad Lavalais didn't defend the multitude of threats that Perry Riley and Al Woods are currently facing. Ok, so where are the personnel that can be the dominating play-makers?
No knock on Riley...he's a decent player, but he's no game changer. Hultberg and Miles and Inside LSU Football would have made you believe otherwise last night.
Ok, I should be working...but I can't tear myself away from today's crack.
This post was edited on 9/28/09 at 11:19 am
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