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Posted on 1/2/18 at 3:25 pm to L S Usetheforce
quote:abd thst isn’t concerning? You are satisfied, I am concerned. Just because it is expected does not make it a good thing
it isn't concerning poor redzone play calls and shitty kickers...
We've struggled with that for 13 weeks.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 3:28 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
quote:
Take the 3 points
The problem with this logic is that we are pretending the 3 points were automatic. We don't k ow that. Prior to the kick the smarter decision was to go for the touchdown. The 3 points were not automatic particularly on that field and with how poorly we had kicked at that point.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 3:28 pm to The Mick
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What if you also knew the ND offense drove the full field and scored a TD and 2 pt conversion on their previous possession?
I'd look and see that they needed 10 plays to do it. I'd also see that Notre Dame had only 1 timeout left and that their QB had under 100 passing yards prior to that drive.
If we're just looking at it in a vacuum of Notre Dame having 1:50 to score a touchdown and whether I would have put odds on Notre Dame scoring a TD, I would have leaned towards Aranda's defense coming up with, at worst, forcing a FG attempt. I certainly didn't expect them to score in 35 seconds.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 3:31 pm to CDawson
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Any intellectually honest, logical fan would take Aranda up 3 with less than 2 minutes to go to the bank.
I'm tired of playing not to lose instead of playing to win. In a non college football playoff bowl game, you don't go with the logical, safe choice. You should be leaving it all out on the field and playing for the win.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 3:33 pm to John Casey
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I'm tired of playing not to lose instead of playing to win. In a non college football playoff bowl game, you don't go with the logical, safe choice. You should be leaving it all out on the field and playing for the win.
I keep seeing this "play to win" being posted. That would make sense if we were down by 3 and could either kick a field goal for the tie or try for a touchdown to win. But, in reality, we kicked a field goal to take the lead. That's not "playing not to lose." That is taking the points to get a lead and not risking coming away with nothing. Sure, there are certainly arguments to be made if it was the right call or not, but "playing not to lose" doesn't fit here.
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 3:34 pm to The Mick
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What if you also knew the ND offense drove the full field and scored a TD and 2 pt conversion on their previous possession?
What if you also knew that they had been held to 6 points the entire rest of the game?
Obviously, it feels like the wrong call now.. But it was the right call at the time.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 3:37 pm to The Mick
then I guess we should be bashing Aranda instead of Coach O.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 3:37 pm to lsufball19
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That is taking the points to get a lead and not risking coming away with nothing.
Again on that field with the way we were kicking we absolutely risked coming away with nothing by kicking the field goal
Posted on 1/2/18 at 3:38 pm to Powerman
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The problem with this logic is that we are pretending the 3 points were automatic. We don't k ow that. Prior to the kick the smarter decision was to go for the touchdown. The 3 points were not automatic particularly on that field and with how poorly we had kicked at that point.
I don't think a TD was any more automatic if we're to use what happened earlier in the game as a reason to go or not to go for it. If you'll go back to earlier in the game where we had it 2nd and goal at the 1, Williams was stuffed on 2nd down for no gain, and Etling was stopped short of the goal line on 3rd and 1. Then obviously we missed the 22 yard field goal. Notre Dame had a good run defense. Outside his 31 yard run in the 1st quarter, Guice was held to 67 yards on 20 carries. They did a great job of holding he and Williams in check for most of the game.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 3:38 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
quote:New Orleans Saints Football
Take the 3 points. Your defense should not allow the opponent to drive the field with under 2 minutes and score a TD to beat you.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 3:44 pm to Spankem
I go for the TD.
1. If you miss their offense is pinned. The first play is likely a running play. It eats time.
2. Because they have to run from the one inch line you have a chance to get the ball back on a punt. You have the wind with you and against their punter. Good field position.
3. Odds are about 95% that you score a TD. This takes their kicker out of the game. Probably makes their offense more predictable.
The right choice in that situation, every time, is to go for it.
1. If you miss their offense is pinned. The first play is likely a running play. It eats time.
2. Because they have to run from the one inch line you have a chance to get the ball back on a punt. You have the wind with you and against their punter. Good field position.
3. Odds are about 95% that you score a TD. This takes their kicker out of the game. Probably makes their offense more predictable.
The right choice in that situation, every time, is to go for it.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 4:25 pm to Powerman
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Again on that field with the way we were kicking we absolutely risked coming away with nothing by kicking the field goal
we were also stonewalled at the 1 yard line on 2 straight plays earlier in the game
Posted on 1/2/18 at 4:30 pm to Spankem
I’d say context is important
Posted on 1/2/18 at 4:31 pm to Spankem
I know I would have had my star player in on the final drive and would have desperately tried to put the ball in his hands some kind of way.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 4:32 pm to lsufball19
The field goal decision was vintage Les Miles CYA - win or lose, you get to tell the media after the game that you put the game in the hands of your defense. The move drips with insecurity and sheepishness. LSU fans want a confident and aggressive coach to match our confident and aggressive players.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 4:35 pm to ATLTiger24
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The move drips with insecurity and sheepishness. LSU fans want a confident and aggressive coach to match our confident and aggressive players.
I don't really care about all that. I just want a coach putting our team in the best position to win. If that means taking the more conservative approach, then I'm fine with it. I can certainly see both sides of Orgeron's decision and am simply trying to present all available data instead of drawing a line in the sand and not listening to anything that doesn't jive with my position.
But vintage Les Miles would have been A. lining up for a field goal and then running a fake; or B. a delay of game or false start occurs and we are forced to kick a field goal; or C. We go for it and get stopped, but Notre Dame has 13 men on the field and we get a second chance
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 4:44 pm to Spankem
Players make plays... coaches don’t.
Donte was taught how to play corner an tackle...
Donte was taught how to play corner an tackle...
Posted on 1/2/18 at 4:57 pm to Cargeaux89
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That wasn't on Aranda. That was on Notre Dame's WR getting away with blatant offensive PI and making a hell of a catch in combination with Donte Jackson being Donte Jackson.
Looks a little more accurate now.
Personally, I go for it. But coach is in a lose/lose situation. If he goes for it and gets stopped LIKE THE LAST TWO TIMES HE TRIED IT, he's crucified. If he takes the field goal and ND comes back and does what they did, he's crucified. He'll be armchair QB'ed either way. But again, my call is to go for it.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 4:58 pm to CDawson
quote:
Any intellectually honest, logical fan would take Aranda up 3 with less than 2 minutes to go to the bank.
Any intellectually honest, logical fan would take Aranda up 7 with less than 2 minutes to go to the bank.
quote:
we were also stonewalled at the 1 yard line on 2 straight plays earlier in the game
You weren't on the 1. You were closer to the goal line than the 1.
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 4:59 pm
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