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re: If you consider les miles a "great" coach, please
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:17 pm to King Joey
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:17 pm to King Joey
Anyone who thinks going 34-6 in a 3 year span automatically makes you a great coach has to concede that Larry Coker, who went 35-3 with Miami from 2001-2003, is a great coach as well.
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Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's Miles teaching of the minutia that seperates himself..Saban lacked in this regard.
^^^^SARCASM^^^^^
^^^^SARCASM^^^^^
This post was edited on 12/15/08 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:22 pm to ironsides
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You guys nit pick like a bunch of grannies. The year he won the NC was a bad coaching year? Give me a break!
Larry Coker. Talent does wonders.
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5x on 4th downs to beat florida a bad coaching decision?
Wait, the UF team that had a defense made up of nothing but freshmen and sophomores? The UF team that lost four games due to incredible youth? The one we played at home with veteran talent? We need FIVE 4th downs to beat them? Just checking.
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having the balls to throw that pass against Auburn (where, by the way, we still would have had 3 ticks left on the clock if Byrd played like he did this year and dropped the ball).
That's not balls, that's moronic. He was a stupid frick for taking that much time, and no, we wouldn't have had 3 seconds. Had he bobbled it, that would've been game over.
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By the way, Saban doesn't have a lot of scholarship seniors on the roster because he kicked a TON of kids off the team this year.
His recruits or Shula's?
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That's real integrity right there. Giving kids the opportunity to get a college education and then taking it away because you didn't recruit them.
such an idiot.Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:24 pm to Bad Cat
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So, what happened in 2002
Don't even act like we had the same depth we do now. We had a handful of great players, but no depth in key positions.
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and 2004?
We lost two regular season games, one of which was by one point to an undefeated Auburn team. We lost 3 more regular season games this year.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:28 pm to I-59 Tiger
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2006 and 2007 ? Wow. We have some dumb "fans".
You mean some intelligent ones that don't follow a coach like blind sheep?
Since 2006 was our most talented team in history, I have a hard time believing that our most talented team lost two games. Was the schedule hard? Yes, but should we have lost two games? Of course not.
You can't possibly think that 2007 was a great coaching year. Okay, we have a ton of talent and a very easy schedule:
UF - needed miracle fourth down after fourth down to beat a four loss team with no defense at home.
UK - lost to a team we beat by 49 a year earlier.
AU - Barely beat a bad team at home with a lucky break at the end of the game. Had Byrd bobbled the pass, game over.
Bama - Needed the entire game to beat a weak, young team with very little talent.
Ark - With a second shot at a title, at home, on senior day, against a .500 team, with all that talent, we lose.
We luck into the national title, so now people forget all the above. You take away Flynn, Steltz, Doucet, Highsmith, Dorsey, and Chevis from that team, and we're 7-5 again.
He's a bad coach.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:28 pm to Ghazi
quote:I see Larry Coker's name being thrown out a lot in comparison to Miles. Just curious, has anyone else in the history of college football flamed out the way Coker did? 34-6 is/was impressive and few if any saw the collapse coming. Are there any similarities to the state of our program as compared to Miami's that precipitated Coker's downfall? As I recall recruiting fell off significantly.
Anyone who thinks going 34-6 in a 3 year span automatically makes you a great coach has to concede that Larry Coker, who went 35-3 with Miami from 2001-2003, is a great coach as well.
It seems like a myopic view of the situation and is based mainly on similar success (?) of the programs and both coaches taking over for other highly successful coaches.
This post was edited on 12/15/08 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:29 pm to AlexLSU
IMO greatness is most properly viewed in retrospect. We need to give the man a chance to prove himself. He seems to be doing a good job with recruiting.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:29 pm to AlexLSU
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Larry Coker. Talent does wonders.
They got rid of Coker and their doing sooooo much better now, right?
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Wait, the UF team that had a defense made up of nothing but freshmen and sophomores? The UF team that lost four games due to incredible youth? The one we played at home with veteran talent? We need FIVE 4th downs to beat them? Just checking.
Yep. The ones that won the national title the year before and the ones that are in that National Title game again this year. Guess we shoulda steamrolled them huh?
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That's not balls, that's moronic. He was a stupid frick for taking that much time, and no, we wouldn't have had 3 seconds. Had he bobbled it, that would've been game over.
You're just stirring the pot now. Only a moron would say this.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:35 pm to ironsides
ironsides, LSU was the best team in the nation by far when healthy and rested last year, yet still lost twice, needed miracle finishes, and an epic 3TD Pitt dog outright vs WV minus injured White, to advance to the BCSCG.
And Saban kicked off DJ Hall and others that were giving him and other coaches lip, plus not wanting to invest in their "4th qtr program" the boot..and that obviously worked out pretty well this year..
Meanwhile, back at the Ponderosa, LSU's Sabanesque minutiae was withering away as the last of his players left..thank God that LSU is at least still raking in topflight ballers!
I said last year after attending games, and watching a few GIC practices to some GIC fellas there, LSU was in for a fall next year, unless they get back to the finer details that were clearly withering away and not being coached..instead they dumbfounded me this year with a greater slide than I even expected.
The Lax Tax was long forthcoming on the Miles watch..it came due in 2008!
And Saban kicked off DJ Hall and others that were giving him and other coaches lip, plus not wanting to invest in their "4th qtr program" the boot..and that obviously worked out pretty well this year..
Meanwhile, back at the Ponderosa, LSU's Sabanesque minutiae was withering away as the last of his players left..thank God that LSU is at least still raking in topflight ballers!
I said last year after attending games, and watching a few GIC practices to some GIC fellas there, LSU was in for a fall next year, unless they get back to the finer details that were clearly withering away and not being coached..instead they dumbfounded me this year with a greater slide than I even expected.
The Lax Tax was long forthcoming on the Miles watch..it came due in 2008!
This post was edited on 12/15/08 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:35 pm to TigersRuleTheEarth
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Wait, the UF team that had a defense made up of nothing but freshmen and sophomores? The UF team that lost four games due to incredible youth? The one we played at home with veteran talent? We need FIVE 4th downs to beat them? Just checking.
Yep. The ones that won the national title the year before and the ones that are in that National Title game again this year. Guess we shoulda steamrolled them huh?
Add one Heisman QB to that as well.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:40 pm to biglego
It's too early to really tell if Miles is not a good coach. He has won many games and is still recruiting well, and every coach on the planet loses games to inferior teams (Exhibits A and B: Saban vs. UAB and ULM). He has dominated bowl games and the SEC has been extremely difficult the past few years.
On the flip side, some of those wins shouldnt have been so close, and some of those losses should have never happened. It is entirely possible that Miles is skating by on talent and another coach would do even better given the same talent.
There's no way to tell just yet.
On the flip side, some of those wins shouldnt have been so close, and some of those losses should have never happened. It is entirely possible that Miles is skating by on talent and another coach would do even better given the same talent.
There's no way to tell just yet.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:42 pm to AlexLSU
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He's a bad coach.
No,I mean dumb fans.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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BCS era had the chips fall the way they did
chips fell in 03 also
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:46 pm to biglego
Whether Miles will be remembered as a great is largely dependent on what he does in the next few weeks. And I am not referring to the Peach Bowl tussle with Ga. Tech!
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:48 pm to AlexLSU
quote:How, exactly, was that team more talented than 2003, or 2004, without including the contributions of any recruiting or coaching by Les and his staff? Because you are arguing that those guys Saban left behind after 2004, just sitting around for two more years, by themselves, and without any coaching whatsoever, just suddenly woke up in 2006 as a better team than they were a part of in 2004, or 2003. And that sounds kind of dumb.
Since 2006 was our most talented team in history, I have a hard time believing that our most talented team lost two games.
quote:Well, how many "miracle" fourth downs did it take the "great coaching" of 2003 to beat Florida?
UF - needed miracle fourth down after fourth down to beat a four loss team with no defense at home.
quote:Okay, so can a bad coach come back from this point of a program and ever have an 11 or 12 win, SEC Championship season again? Because either you are insisting that he will never, ever win another SEC Championship, or you are insisting that a "bad coach" in this day and age can take a team of entirely his recruits, coached by him and his staff, and win the SEC. I'm just curious which it is.
He's a bad coach.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 1:58 pm to Ghazi
quote:So many things just incorrect about this.
Anyone who thinks going 34-6 in a 3 year span automatically makes you a great coach has to concede that Larry Coker, who went 35-3 with Miami from 2001-2003, is a great coach as well.
First of all, 2000-2002 era Big East is not comparable to 2005-2007 era SEC. Secondly, the comparisons to Coker are as irrational and groundless as comparisons to Knute Rockne or Bear Bryant. Coker decline was immediate and steady. His teams consistently declined from year to year under his tenure. He went from 12-0, to 12-1, to 11-2, to 9-3. Not once did he coach a team with more success than the team he coached the year before. Miles, obviously, does not fit this pattern. His 3rd year team did better than his 1st or 2nd year team, and neither his 2nd nor 3rd year teams did worse than his 1st year team.
And if you look underneath the surface of records, the recruiting at Miami fell off greatly after Coker took over, whereas under Miles it has not.
So the comparisons to Coker are entirely predictable, because the portion of the rant base that is so desperate to spread the misery and unhappiness they feel will flail about for any negative hyperbole, regardless of how absurd. Which is doubly funny when there are actual, realistic issues for concern available. I mean, when they were throwing around Coker comparisons last year I could understand it because there was no less idiotic complaint to be made. But now when there is, they are still throwing his name around.
It just makes it easier to laugh during this holiday season. Maybe that's why the rantards keep comparing Miles to Coker; maybe they're just trying to give everyone a good laugh for the holidays.
THANKS GUYS!!
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:06 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
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Meanwhile, back at the Ponderosa, LSU's Sabanesque minutiae was withering away until the last of his players left..thank God that LSU is at least still raking in topflight ballers!
The minutia that broke Mauck's foot in garbage time against UF in 2002 leaving us woefully short at QB and costing a great season?
The minutia that blew out Ben Wilkerson's knee in garbage time?
The minutia that produced huge mental lapses that resulted in Hail Maries to beat us and knock us out of the 2002 SECCG and lose the Cap One Bowl to Iowa?
The minutia that had us woefully unprepared for the 2004 season at QB?
The minutia that cost us the Ole Miss Game in 2001 when we made disastrous clock management decisions before the half, leading to a blocked punt returned for a TD?
The minutia that had us totally unprepared for Troy State in 2004 and UAB in 2000?
The minutia that put DJ Hall on the field in the 2nd half of a game in which he was suspended?
I'm grateful for everything Saban did for LSU, but the man was not flawless and neither is Miles
This post was edited on 12/15/08 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:08 pm to AlexLSU
Look i don't think Miles is great by any means but saying we would have ran out of time in the AU game because of a bobble? What is this the tip drill? A 3 second bobble is an eternity and would never happen in that situation save some retarded fluke where Byrd thought it would be fun to put on a juggle expo.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:10 pm to roygu
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Pete Jenkins the ex LSU defensive coordinator said that he had never met a another coach that could communicate, organize, and coach technique as well as Saban.
Well hot diggity dog...."great" coaches are, in the end, defined by w's and l's. And Miles at LSU has 'em. More, percentage wise, than even Saban. It's amazing how a person's definition of "great" changes depending on what coach they want to apply or not apply it to.
Posted on 12/15/08 at 2:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
Les is not yet a great coach nor is Saban or Meyer...great coaches are determined at the end of their career...not at the front end. How well do they coach over the long haul? What was their graduation rate? etc. Too early to make an assessement.
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