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re: If Les wanted a true dual threat QB, why not Shep?
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:03 am to geauxzone1
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:03 am to geauxzone1
quote:
Shep is not a dual threat, as bad as JJ was at throwing the ball Shep was way worse.
This thread = fail
Never saw live throws by RS, but during RS's recruiting Tom Lunginbill had this to say about comparisons on Dual Threat QB's Terelle Pryor and RS. Note: Pryor was a year ahead of RS coming out of HS. Pryor was ranked 4th (2008) and Shepard ranked 1st (2009). May just prove the sad truth about ESPN recruiting analysis which we all know to be inferior. Not to mention throwing is not Pryor's strength.
T Pryor vs R Shepard
"Shepard, on the other hand, has a smooth, compact throwing motion. His ball-carriage mechanics are very consistent -- the ball pops out quickly. The higher the release, the better for Shepard; he is not blessed with terrific height."
"Shepard is simply more disciplined at this stage. He is less of an improviser in the passing game than Pryor was and shows more precision, patience and timing, which allows him to hit the strike zone more often than not. This is an area where Shepard can close the gap in arm strength."
But we never saw any of this.
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Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:10 am to rbdallas
quote:so... he was picked on a lot? Called names?
the most taunted athletes coming in
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:12 am to Frankie Knuckles
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Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:14 am to Frankie Knuckles
quote:This LINK
why not Shep?
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:16 am to geauxzone1
quote:How would you know that? When did he get a real chance to throw anything beyond token tries in his entire LSU career?
Shep is not a dual threat, as bad as JJ was at throwing the ball Shep was way worse.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:16 am to ELVIS U
quote:What?
Les is a great recruiter, he is a great evaluater of coaching talent and sometimes he is a great game day coach. However, he generally sucks at player talent and position evaluation.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:17 am to JawjaTigah
quote:Because anyone who followed his recruitment, watched his all-american game, and practice videos saw it first hand?
How would you know that?
Do you really think Crowton was going to be able to help him?
This post was edited on 1/13/12 at 9:20 am
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:18 am to Roaad
quote:
You love you some homosexual imagery
He has posted "JJ dickriders" on a bunch of other threads. I'm starting to think he hasn't graduated middle school yet.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:20 am to ynlvr
quote:was wrong
Tom Lunginbill
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:23 am to coldhotwings
quote:I believe he was a Freshman back then. Many championship level teams have QB coaches to help Freshman QBs (and others) learn, grow, and succeed. I believe back then, LSU was minus a QB coach if I am not mistaken?
Shep has no arm and no accuracy and throws the worst spiral. His ball would hang in the air ready for an interception even on a 10 yard route.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:25 am to That LSU Guy
Read some of the articles after Shep committed. Over and over, it's he wanted to play for someone "willing to give him a shot" at playing QB. Willing to give him a shot, and LSU was the only one who made that promise (with everyone and their mother knowing Shep would eventually be moved to WR after he'd had his 'shot' at QB). What does that tell you about his passing ability? Or did the Texas and USC staffs among others who offered him at WR just suck at talent evaluation?
This post was edited on 1/13/12 at 9:30 am
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:28 am to rbdallas
quote:13-1 and 11-2 last two years. I think our scouting and development (for the most part) are excellent.
a question.
Is our scouting flawed?
Is our development flawed?
It seems as if both need help, but which is the MOST flawed ?
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:30 am to geauxzone1
quote:
Shep is not a dual threat, as bad as JJ was at throwing the ball Shep was way worse.
Will need more info on how you would know this. I have heard for three years a trainer that Shep (who would "play around" before or after practice with a couple of receivers and looked pretty good) could throw. He did not have the arm strength of Jefferson but still should of gotten a look.
Me thinks you don't have any real reason for saying he was bad but rather like to sound off on subjects that you don't know anything about.
This post was edited on 1/13/12 at 9:32 am
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:32 am to That LSU Guy
From ynlvr's post on this same thread:
So I asked another Ranter here...
And you answered for him and just said this...
quote:See also: ESPN link on Shep and Pryor
Never saw live throws by RS, but during RS's recruiting Tom Lunginbill had this to say about comparisons on Dual Threat QB's Terelle Pryor and RS. Note: Pryor was a year ahead of RS coming out of HS. Pryor was ranked 4th (2008) and Shepard ranked 1st (2009). May just prove the sad truth about ESPN recruiting analysis which we all know to be inferior. Not to mention throwing is not Pryor's strength...
"Shepard, on the other hand, has a smooth, compact throwing motion. His ball-carriage mechanics are very consistent -- the ball pops out quickly. The higher the release, the better for Shepard; he is not blessed with terrific height." "Shepard is simply more disciplined at this stage. He is less of an improviser in the passing game than Pryor was and shows more precision, patience and timing, which allows him to hit the strike zone more often than not. This is an area where Shepard can close the gap in arm strength." But we never saw any of this.
So I asked another Ranter here...
quote:
How would you know that?
And you answered for him and just said this...
quote:So I guess I gotta conclude that you either weren't following the same Shep as I was back in 2008, or else you are spewing off revisionist history now to justify your fixation on JJ and all his great accomplishments in the latter part of this season as a senior QB for LSU.
Because anyone who followed his recruitment, watched his all-american game, and practice videos saw it first hand?
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:34 am to geauxzone1
quote:
Shep is not a dual threat, as bad as JJ was at throwing the ball Shep was way worse.
Exactly. "Dual threat" implies TWO threats.
The last "dual threat" QB we had on this team was Matt Flynn and hell, he was dinged his SR year so part of his "dual" was kind of lacking.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:34 am to Frankie Knuckles
I also find Miles' decision to move Shepard to WR very baffling. Going into 2009, we were in desperate need of a playmaker at QB (we still are). Shepard was a 5* dual threat QB, who many scouts said was further along then Terrelle Pryor at the same point in high school.
He ran the ball very well out of the QB position the very few times we played him there. His talent was totally wasted from day one. We didn't even give him a legit shot at QB when good QB play was, and still is, a major problem.
He ran the ball very well out of the QB position the very few times we played him there. His talent was totally wasted from day one. We didn't even give him a legit shot at QB when good QB play was, and still is, a major problem.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:36 am to Frankie Knuckles
quote:
I think our scouting and development (for the most part) are excellent.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:52 am to Frankie Knuckles
If Les wanted a dual threat QB he would have taken Robert Griffin III. I don't think Les gave Shep a real chance.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 10:10 am to Chimlim
quote:
Going into 2009, we were in desperate need of a playmaker at QB (we still are). Shepard was a 5* dual threat QB, who many scouts said was further along then Terrelle Pryor at the same point in high school.
Pryor was a worse passer in HS than Shep but his arm strength was never in question. His issue was technique which can be coached more easily than expecting an athlete to develop a QB's arm. A guy could work out his arm all day long everyday and still not build an arm that is capable of delivering a division 1 level ball for a pro style offense but another guy who cannot outlift most of the players on the team can somehow sling it 60 yards with ease. I don't know enough about sport science to figure out how a player develops this arm. I'm guessing Shep being 175 pounds coming out of HS doesn't help.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 10:11 am to SuperDomed
quote:
I think the coaches gave up way to early on shep as a qb
Yep
Even if they weren't going to let him throw they could have at least used him in the wildcat formations throughout his career to supplement the Lee offense
JJ had no business playing for LSU at QB
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