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re: If Les wanted a true dual threat QB, why not Shep?
Posted on 1/16/12 at 1:04 pm to Flatyger
Posted on 1/16/12 at 1:04 pm to Flatyger
They're not negative.
They keep trying to justify the bizarre man love Les had for the worst qb in LSU history, JJ.
In that quest, they will throw any other player under the bus...after all, they'll tell you how they're "true fans".
They keep trying to justify the bizarre man love Les had for the worst qb in LSU history, JJ.
In that quest, they will throw any other player under the bus...after all, they'll tell you how they're "true fans".
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Posted on 1/16/12 at 1:04 pm to 5Alive
Russ "Hop on the Bang Bros Bus" Sheppard
Posted on 1/16/12 at 1:10 pm to coldhotwings
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and throws the worst spiral.
i dont know how you can throw a worse spiral than jj his spiral looks like a wounded duck
Posted on 1/16/12 at 1:13 pm to Paulu
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Guess those HS films are pure fantasy.
This is what I don't get. To say that he is incapable of throwing a spiral or putting the ball a reasonable distance downfield just flies in the face of the video evidence.
Are the balls that much bigger in college vs high school that he is physically incapable of throwing a spiral with them?
If so, what was that whole deal of him working out with Jeff Blake while in high school? Were they stupid enough not to be working out with a college football?
and this evaluation in high school:
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Has a smooth, fluid release and a quick, compact delivery on his throws. Flashes the ability to place the ball anywhere on the field. Shows some zip on underneath throws and can fit balls into tight spots. Has great touch and timing on the deep ball. Throws on the run very well and has the arm strength to throw off balance and across his body.
None of it jives with the idea that he is incapable of throwing the football.
Seems more likely that he couldn't throw 50 yards as well as JJ and Lee so we just wrote him off as a QB. If that's the case, we didn't need to waste any time evaluating him, b/c no one thought he was that kind of passer. But to me that speaks to our head coach's lack of creative thinking if you can't figure out a way in 3 years to make use of what everyone saw from RS in high school.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 1:15 pm to uway
I wouldn't even say it was a true dual threat, more like a running QB. If our O revolved around JJ running 15 times for 14 yards, why not have Shep back there?
Posted on 1/16/12 at 1:16 pm to Frankie Knuckles
also, isn't this irrelevant.
Shep asked to be moved.
Shep asked to be moved.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 1:17 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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Was never proven, this is a Rant myth that has been repeated over and over again until it became truth. Maybe he wasn't a pure passer, but we certainly don't know that based on a body of evidence or any coaches words that were uttered in the media.
This. You'll never be able to convince the Miles apologists of this. They just can't bring themselves to the thought that Les isn't the best college football coach in America, that he would never make such a bad decision regarding player personel, and that RS was (for whatever reason) never considered as an option for QB.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 1:17 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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Shep asked to be moved.
After he realized he was dealing with Bo Schembechler.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 1:23 pm to 5Alive
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Are u that fricking dumb? Shep couldn't throw a 10 yard out without bouncing the ball! This shite has been discussed for years now!
1. If this is true the recruiters need to all gently place the barrel to their forehead and pull trigger.
2. He was number one dual threat qb in nation if I remember correctly. There is no fkn way you get that and you can't throw a ball 10 yards without bouncing it. If you do get that, some scout needs to be fired and hung from a bridge.
Final thought, I hate these analyst anyway, they wouldn't know a true 5 star if he kicked them in the head while hovering at his vertical of 6 feet. I say that with tongue firmly planted in cheek.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 1:27 pm to geauxzone1
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Shep is not a dual threat, as bad as JJ was at throwing the ball Shep was way worse.
This thread = fail
Right. All those talent evaluators across the country that thought RS was the top (not just elite, not top 25...the best) dual threat QUARTERBACK coming out of high school were just misinformed. They must not have watched any film of RS when he was a high schooler throwing the ball. If he wasn't, at least, an average passer, they would have listed him as an athlete, or WR, or anything other than QB. Hell, half of the skill position players in college played QB in high school. The sentiment furthered by Miles apologists that RS was never a viable option at QB is just lunacy. If Andrew Luck was our QB, this position is slightly more credible, but we had JJ and JL. JJ and JL.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 1:41 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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also, isn't this irrelevant.
Shep asked to be moved.
1) Short of something more than anonymous sources, the above should be treated as rumor and/or speculation. Anytime someone on the Rant asks the very rational, appropriate question of why RS was never utilized as a QB, this response, as well as the "despite the recorded assertions of talent evaluators across the country to the contrary, RS really can't throw an orange 15 feet" are asserted by Miles apologists.
2) Even if this is the case, aren't the coaches charged with the job of making decisions regarding the use op personel? I'm sure every coach in the country on an annual basis must have to make decisions regarding switching players from their high school/recruited positions to other positions--Josh Reed, anyone? What was RS going to do if Miles said "Shep, we need you to play QB?" Tell him "no?" Quit the team?
He would have played QB.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 1:58 pm to Frankie Knuckles
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If Les wanted a true dual threat QB, why not Shep?
Because he can not throw.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 2:15 pm to CptBengal
RS sucks at passing only feeds into the LSU narrative that began about the time the JJ drums began beating, and it conveniently flies in the face of video evidence and logic. Someone inside LSU must have started that rumor about RS in practice.
There was evidence that he couldn't remember plays, however, as he flubbed that up several times, this would be a more valid excuse than the passing excuse.
Also to add, in our offense he only has to throw the ball 15 yards anyway because we rarely go downfield so who cares if he doesn't' have a long ball?
There was evidence that he couldn't remember plays, however, as he flubbed that up several times, this would be a more valid excuse than the passing excuse.
Also to add, in our offense he only has to throw the ball 15 yards anyway because we rarely go downfield so who cares if he doesn't' have a long ball?
Posted on 1/16/12 at 2:17 pm to 5Alive
quote:I usually tend to do just that. Convince me otherwise and I'll change my opinion.
You believe what u want
Posted on 1/16/12 at 2:18 pm to moneyg
JJ cannot and will not throw to a receiver unless he is wide open. RS can throw at least as well as JJ. Worst QB I've seen on a good team.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 2:24 pm to Roaad
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worse arm than JJ.
Throws a sweet bounce pass, though.
I have seen JJ throw many a sweet bounce pass over the past three years. Too many to count.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 2:28 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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Shep asked to be moved.
I may try to find the link if I feel like it but Shep's almost exact words were:
"Let's face it, Jordan's going to be the QB. That's the way it is, and everyone knows it."
People on here trying to convince you that Shep cannot throw a pass 10 yards, in spite of video evidence and recruiting analysis are just continuing their avoidance of facing reality: that Miles really did F up the QB situation to this level.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 2:34 pm to Frankie Knuckles
I wish I wouldn't have seen this thread.
Shep would have been absolutely perfect for the shite we've been running with Jefferson. He can throw bubbles just fine I'm sure.
Just a shame he didn't get a chance to truly play QB and was lied to.
Shep would have been absolutely perfect for the shite we've been running with Jefferson. He can throw bubbles just fine I'm sure.
Just a shame he didn't get a chance to truly play QB and was lied to.
Posted on 1/16/12 at 2:34 pm to GABlueDog
Look, I think JJ throws like stinky horse shite, but please answer this:
what about Shep choosing LSU because we would 'give him a shot to play QB' along with all of the other schools that offered for him, but not at QB, makes you think he would be any better?
Shep had a pretty nice offer list...but no one but us gave him a 'shot' to try for QB. Did all of those other colleges suck at talent eval?
what about Shep choosing LSU because we would 'give him a shot to play QB' along with all of the other schools that offered for him, but not at QB, makes you think he would be any better?
Shep had a pretty nice offer list...but no one but us gave him a 'shot' to try for QB. Did all of those other colleges suck at talent eval?
This post was edited on 1/16/12 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 1/16/12 at 2:55 pm to TheBob
Boom...found it. And I think this is very telling. Even more interesting, this was from two years ago...and we were discussing the same issues we are now:
LINK
Pretty clear that Shep saw that JJ was going to play QB under Les regardless of how much he stunk. The decision was never open to review or competition. Les had it in his mind that he was going to play JJ. And he was not going to change that mindset. He rode it all the way into the ground last Monday night, 2012.
Thanks again Les. Great job buddy.
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Here it was, the biggest game in Tiger Stadium history, according to rankings, since the Legend of Billy Cannon game on Halloween Night, 1959. And the No. 1 dual-action, high school quarterback in the nation in 2008-09 did not see the field.
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And LSU’s offense badly needed something new and different on the field as the No. 1 Gators toyed with the No. 4 Tigers’ attack that would finish No. 112 in the nation out of 120 upper division schools in total offense for a 13-3 victory.
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Meanwhile, Shepard did nothing. And it was not like he was waiting his turn at Quarterback U., either.
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LSU sophomore starter Jordan Jefferson continued to struggle with the option and threw for just 96 yards on 11-of-17 passing against the Gators. He netted -1 yard rushing on seven carries amid five sacks - some his fault and some the fault of an overrated offensive line.
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Shepard thought of his immediate future and of his long distance future.
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Shepard stayed to himself the Sunday after the Florida game, talked to friends and family and thought about his future. On that Monday, he met with LSU coach Les Miles.
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“The Florida game really opened my eyes and made me realize that I probably need to make a switch,” he said. “I realized that Jordan is the quarterback of this team, and we’re only a year apart. So it definitely made me realize. I had time to stay to myself and think. I want to play in that (Florida-LSU) atmosphere. I don’t want to be a five-to-10 player guy. I want to play 60 snaps, and I want to contribute to this team. I talked to coach Miles probably two days later.”
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Gary Thiebaud, who was Shepard’s coach at Cypress Ridge High in Houston, understands the move, but he does not agree with it.
“Oh yeah, I still think he can play quarterback in college,” Thiebaud said. “He’s a Pat White (West Virginia) or Vince Young (Texas). To me, that’s Russell Shepard.”
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Shepard never got the chance even though LSU continued to get average quarterback play for the third straight season in 2009. It’s spring football 2010 now, and Jefferson and Lee still appear to be average at best.
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Asked if he felt this was fair, Shepard avoided the question and returned to his epiphany weekend.
LINK
Pretty clear that Shep saw that JJ was going to play QB under Les regardless of how much he stunk. The decision was never open to review or competition. Les had it in his mind that he was going to play JJ. And he was not going to change that mindset. He rode it all the way into the ground last Monday night, 2012.
Thanks again Les. Great job buddy.
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