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Posted on 9/29/11 at 11:18 am to MJM
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because of letting one of the worst rated QBs in the country continue starting every game
Yeah, you're fricking stupid. Lee looked as lost as Jefferson in 2008. Lee looked terrible in 2009 in limited opportunity. And save for one drive against Tennessee and the Florida game (where Toliver broke four tackles in two plays to score), Lee looked incredibly ineffective as well.
Also, to believe what you want to believe, you have to completely ignore the incompetent play of John Beck and Dennis Dixon under Crowton, and their equally incredibly improvement the second he left town. You also have to ignore the current complete regression of Danny O'Brien at Maryland.
So basically, your argument boils down to this: While ignoring all other obvious factors, because Lee hit some great passes in a two week span in 2010, our offensive ineptitude for the past three years falls squarely on the shoulders of Jordan Jefferson.
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I agree now that Lee has been given the opportunity to play every down he is in a much better position to succeed.
Lee deserves to start and take every significant snap from here on out. But let's not kid ourselves by saying that our offense would have been some juggarnaut for the past three years with Lee at the helm.
The biggest difference in our offense is competency in scheme and situational playcalling, and that is a direct effect of getting rid of Gary Crowton.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 11:19 am to south bama tiger
If jj starts any game this year in any role other than 2nd string qb, we won't go the seccg. Book it.
Check the Vegas odds if that happens.
Check the Vegas odds if that happens.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 11:24 am to jdrumdog
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If jj starts any game this year in any role other than 2nd string qb, we won't go the seccg. Book it.
So if Lee gets hurt late in the game against Alabama but we win and Jefferson has to start against Western Kentucky, we won't go to Atlanta?
Posted on 9/29/11 at 11:27 am to Antonio Moss
Jefferson is the only person that could give Western Kentucky a chance to beat us.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 11:31 am to MJM
Only if he was given the starting job back in a way that fans felt was unearned, unfair and we offensively regressed. I expect JJ to contribute to the team as QB this year. It is very unlikely his play will elevate to the level JLee has been at in every game this year and become the starter.
JJ does have an assett LSU can benefit from it's just not the starting role.
JJ does have an assett LSU can benefit from it's just not the starting role.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 11:34 am to Cajun Revolution
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JJ has been pretty atrocious leading this offense for two straight years. I don't understand what would differ this year. Its like the fans are insane because they keep expecting different results from the same player.
Almost a valid point, except for practically the same offensive line getting better results this year . . .
I think everyone can agree that Crowton as OC and Miles as HC led to a lot of uncertainty and confusion the last few years. With Stud as the OC, it seems the philosphies have meshed and the uncertainty is gone. Hence all around improvement in every aspect of the offense-- more production, less penalties, less delays of game, more effective.
This post was edited on 9/29/11 at 11:35 am
Posted on 9/29/11 at 11:38 am to Antonio Moss
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Lee looked as lost as Jefferson in 2008.
Weren't we scoring 30 points a game with Lee at QB in 2008, with a terrible defense?
Posted on 9/29/11 at 11:42 am to Fun Bunch
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Weren't we scoring 30 points a game with Lee at QB in 2008, with a terrible defense?
We've been over this a thousand times. That bad defense benefitted Crowton's offense. We were behind by more than two scores five times that season (something that hasn't occurred since.) We racked up yards and points when we were way behind.
If you account for that, our offense was almost exactly like 2009 and 2010.
A perfect example is the Georgia and Florida games in 2008. Almost 75% of our offense came when we were behind by 14 or more.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 11:45 am to JETigER
What if it's the last play of the game and were on the goal line going for the win and we botch the snap so he decides to fall on it with no time left? Oh wait that was Tennessee last year. Let me try again. What if it's the same scenario, we have no time outs left and were inside the ten yard line and he spikes the ball? 
Posted on 9/29/11 at 12:10 pm to Antonio Moss
Antonio, nothing ruins the truth like stretching it.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 12:13 pm to White Tiger
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Antonio, nothing ruins the truth like stretching it.
How am I stretching the truth?
Posted on 9/29/11 at 12:31 pm to Cajun Revolution
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JJ has been pretty atrocious leading this offense for two straight years. I don't understand what would differ this year. Its like the fans are insane because they keep expecting different results from the same player.
I wouldn't call 2009 atrocious. 17 TDs / 7 ints and 60%+ completion percentage. Last year, yes until the last 4 games of the season.
Again, just to clarify, Lee should remain the starter. But there is no sense in becoming forgetful of 2009 vs 2010.
This post was edited on 9/29/11 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 9/29/11 at 12:35 pm to Antonio Moss
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If we lose to Florida and Jefferson doesn't take a snap or doesn't play a meaningful role, you can bet your arse that there will a contingent of fans and rantards that blame Jefferson.
<--------- This guy will. IF we see JJ all up in Lee's shite on the sideline. Which is exactly what I expect to see.
Posted on 9/30/11 at 8:16 am to MJM
What if he leads us to a win? Will you SYWM?
Posted on 9/30/11 at 8:27 am to beauxroux
Who should shoulder more blame for a bad run offense? The OC or the QB?
Posted on 9/30/11 at 8:34 am to TigerDeBaiter
What do you mean by this:
quote:And could you give me an example where you've seen Jefferson do this?
all up in Lee's shite on the sideline
Posted on 9/30/11 at 8:41 am to Will2nd
I am as happy as anyone that JL is playing well this season. I respect his commitment to LSU and the team. He is now the starter, and will be. That is as it should be.
However, many posters seem to have selective amnesia about JL's play in prior seasons. While he had some good plays and played a critical role in a few games last year, he still wasn't the best QB to lead LSU last year. That isn't to say that JJ did a great job. I nearly blew a fuse several times watching him play. But between the two, despite all the naysayers with memory lapses, he was the best option.
However, many posters seem to have selective amnesia about JL's play in prior seasons. While he had some good plays and played a critical role in a few games last year, he still wasn't the best QB to lead LSU last year. That isn't to say that JJ did a great job. I nearly blew a fuse several times watching him play. But between the two, despite all the naysayers with memory lapses, he was the best option.
This post was edited on 9/30/11 at 8:45 am
Posted on 9/30/11 at 8:47 am to Roaad
quote:Yeah, it's weird how no one on this board has ever, ever criticized Lee at all, right?
Lee is far from infallible, son.
I think it is hilarious that you all are surprised that the starting QB has been getting a disproportionate amount of blame for the offensive woes the last two seasons. As if any QB in history has ever been treated differently.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 4:51 pm to dreaux
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Who should shoulder more blame for a bad run offense? The OC or the QB?
I'm not quite clear what you mean by a "bad run offense". If it means the schemes and play calling do not suit the talents of the personnel, then I think the OC bears the blame. If it is the offensive line not blocking, I wouldn't blame the QB, as much as the O line coack or the OC or the line themselves. If it is the QB missing wide open receivers, then I place that on the QB. There are so many variables, that it is really impossible to answer unless you want to be more specific.
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