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re: If a coaching change is made, what type of offense would you like to see?

Posted on 9/5/16 at 4:59 pm to
Posted by 337Tiger19
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Feb 2014
2479 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 4:59 pm to
Clemson
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18806 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 5:00 pm to
An offense that is predicable based on personnel or formations
Posted by tigerfan84
Member since Dec 2003
25782 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 5:00 pm to
Anything that is adaptable to their opponent and can score more points than the opponent
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 5:01 pm
Posted by HeadCoach23
Member since Nov 2015
61 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 5:01 pm to
I agree, an Urban Meyer type of offense would be perfect at LSU. Another reason why I'm salivating over Tom Herman. Went through 3 different QB's and won the NC. Just think what Fournette could do with those type of running lanes.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60645 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 5:03 pm to
An attack the defense where you have advantages one. Exactly what Kiffen does
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
55778 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 5:03 pm to
Power spread

Balanced pro style
Posted by Haughton99
Haughton
Member since Feb 2009
6126 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 5:04 pm to
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I agree. I'm just sick of hearing people call LSU's offense "pro style", because it doesn't resemble anything close to a pro style.


It did in the 80s. Most teams run shotgun in the NFL now a majority of the time.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69275 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 5:04 pm to
I like a pro-form offense. We don't have to run the spread, we just have to stop being so f&%king stupid.

It is very possible to succeed with an I-form 2 WR, 1 TE set up if you:
A. have a QB who can hit the broad side of a barn
B. throw to the TE, FBs, and RBs
C. Throw quick slants, 10 yd out routes, 15 yard crosses, screens ect. We have to be able to do more than just throw deep jump balls on the outside.
C. Throw on non-obvious passing downs
D. Adjust your offense when it's not working and NOT adjust when it is working.

Here's what I would like:
about a dozen plays out of the regular I (2WR, FB, HB, TE)
Use the shotgun and run the long side option, Jet sweep, and pass (3 WR, HB, and either a TE or another WR)
a few plays out of the wishbone (2RB, 1TE, 2 WR)
A few plays out of the classic pro-form (3 WR, 1 TE, 1 HB)

I don't like any offense that cannot be balanced, and I do not like any offense which passes more than 5% more often on average than it runs the ball. Why? Because running the ball allows the team on offense to dictate the length and pace of the game better than so a passing offense. A great example was LSU v. Troy State in 2008. Troy got out to a big lead, but because their offense revolved around passing, once LSU's defense figured out how to stop it, Troy couldn't burn enough time during their possessions to shorten the game enough to keep LSU's offense from having enough possessions to come back and win. Had Troy had a more balanced approach, even if LSU was forcing 3 and outs, they would have been burning around 2 minutes per possession rather than 30 seconds. 90 seconds lost for LSU's offense on each possession, times 3 possessions equals 4:30 minutes. That would have meant LSU would not have had enough possessions to make that come back!

I don't think a run-first offense is the problem. It's our idiotic, predictable version of a run-heavy offense paired with poor motivation, poor clock management, abysmal special teams, and zero indication of any change in execution of said run-heavy offense that is the problem.
Posted by Ye_Olde_Tiger
Member since Oct 2004
1202 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 5:09 pm to
Was it the Wisconsin coach being interviewed (I dont remember who said it) but he was asked about his shorter backs covering LSU's taller more athletic receivers....and his response was,yeah they're taller but they don't really play taller...my guys can cover them fine.

I don't know...just another way we are underutilizing talent that other people are finally starting to see.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16106 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 5:11 pm to
I don't want to run the spread. Just something like Texas or Baylor run. Shotgun with 3 and 4 wr sets that feature plenty of power running plays, run pass options, and short ball control passes and some long passes. More or less west coast style. Still pro style, just not our version of pro style.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69275 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 5:11 pm to
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It did in the 80s. Most teams run shotgun in the NFL now a majority of the time.


This is a natural result of the fact that rules changes designed to promote "safety" resulted in making "pass defense" a penalty. WR's and QB's now have a huge advantage over defenses under the new rules, at least when those rules are enforced. Run heavy teams still can and do go further in the playoffs for 2 reasons, however:
1. Cold weather makes a pass-first offense harder to execute, benefiting cold-weather run-heavy teams
2. NFL referees have a tendency to "let them play" more-so in the playoffs, so activity by a pass defender which would have likely drawn a flag during the regular season goes uncalled and instead is hailed as "great defense".

Those shotgun teams rarely make it to the super bowl, even today. Typically, the Superbowl is made up of one or two pro-form, run-heavy teams running conventional offenses.
Posted by cajunjim
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Sep 2006
364 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 5:13 pm to
Whatever offense best utilizes the personnel and talent we have.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 5:14 pm to
quote:


It did in the 80s. Most teams run shotgun in the NFL now a majority of the time.


Even in the 80s, teams tried to exploit weaknesses. They tried to confuse defenses. Etc etc.

People try to confuse OUR defense when it's at its best.

You'd think Miles would take the hint
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16106 posts
Posted on 9/5/16 at 6:54 pm to
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Those shotgun teams rarely make it to the super bowl, even today. Typically, the Superbowl is made up of one or two pro-form, run-heavy teams running conventional offenses.


Have you watched any super bowls in the last 10 or so years?

If your definition of a conventional offense is shotgun formation with multiple recievers and balanced or slightly pass heavy attacks or very pass heavy attacks, you would be correct

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