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re: I think Orgeron learned a lot this year
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:24 pm to RedTigerRulz
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:24 pm to RedTigerRulz
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I thought 10 wins would be a successful season with O at the helm fulltime.....we have a chance to get there...so I'm ok with things as they are now.
And most of all.....CEO is not Miles. This is the best part. Watching the old offense was tantamount to having a root canal with no anesthesia.
I find these comments funny. So, it's really just a question of optics for you. You like the view better now, so you're OK with the subpar hire. That's a hell of a lot to put a program through (and at risk) for what amounts to a non-substantive change.
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:25 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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surely you dont believe this right?
There are some......who would still believe......that O doesn't deserve the job.
They would never admit this because it would make them look like the biggest horse's arse in the world and most def not an LSU fan....but yea....I believe there would be some who had these thoughts.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:26 pm to RedTigerRulz
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There are some......who would still believe......that O doesn't deserve the job.
They would never admit this
It's an asinine hypothetical.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:27 pm to RedTigerRulz
To be clear, O did not deserve the job.
Nothing has changed about that.
Nothing has changed about that.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:30 pm to Mo Jeaux
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You like the view better now
I like the view now because Miles IS NOT in the picture. The man was running the program in the ground slowly....and all of his goodwill had been spent up.
Was the the O hire risky? Well....duh....hell yea it was risky and still may blow up in our face. I've said many times...I didn't want O here either. But he's here and he's not Miles so I'm good and I'm going to support him until he's gives me a reason not to.
But we are certainly no worse off than we were before, particularly in light of the fact that you and many others thought that O would fail miserably.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:31 pm to nitwit
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To be clear, O did not deserve the job.
Nothing has changed about that.
And you will never find a post in my history that refutes this statement.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:34 pm to RedTigerRulz
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I hope you're joking with this statement.
I'm not. Please link me a post where someone blames O for Alleva hiring him. Thanks.
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Then you've missed these jewels because there have been posts suggesting just this thing.
Alright, then. It shouldn't be hard for you to find posts where people "blame" Orgeron for having a weak schedule and post them for me in this thread. I'll wait.
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We know Troy and State were debacles. Continuing to mention them as if doing so will add to their "horrendousness" is pointless being as that we are at the end of the season.
They're extremely important games when considering the season on the whole, would you not agree? Without just one of those losses we could have been in Atlanta and/or right in the thick of the playoff chase, if not falling just short.
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Some of you are acting like this team was actually a national contender this year and that we underachieved by not getting to the playoffs. IMO this team was never going to get there. Too many changes and not enough depth/talent at certain skill positions.
I thought we were a 9-10 win team coming into the year. But I also had no idea how weak our schedule would be. All in all a "meh" season for me considering the horrible start, good finish and solid bowl game. MUST see a big step forward in recruiting and next season.
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And most of all.....CEO is not Miles. This is the best part. Watching the old offense was tantamount to having a root canal with no anesthesia.
So, you don't care about our actual results improving in terms of Wins and losses and competing for championships as long as it looks better? Did I misinterpret that? I mean, you did say "most of all"...
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:39 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Because I'm tired of people blaming O for Alleva's fk up.
I've seen this posted before but I'm not sure if I've ever addressed it, so I will here. I blame BOTH. I blame Alleva for being so idiotic so as to even have Orgeron on the whiteboard of possible targets...but I ALSO blame Orgeron for CLEARLY asking for the job behind the scenes, and almost certainly before Miles was shite canned. If Alleva needs to be called out for hiring a guy that's unqualified, then the guy who begged for the job for which he was unqualified also needs to be held to blame. This is DOUBLY true for a guy who claims to love the program, as it comes off as nothing but a selfish move to get what he wanted.
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I'm tired of people being unable or unwilling to move past Troy.
I get it. I do. And as soon as the program moves back up to equal to the previous regime (not losing to teams like Troy) and surpasses it, that loss will be very obvious. Essentially, Orgeron's program needs to make that loss look like the anomaly you guys claim it is. He's yet to do that as far as I'm concerned.
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I'm tired of people blaming O for a soft SEC.
I haven;t seen anyone BLAME him, though I've seen people claim they have. I have seen people point out that it's difficult to asses what we have in Orgeron given how soft the schedule is...and I think that's an honest reason to be concerned. Likewise, if the SEC was absolutely brutal this year, those looking to pump up Orgeron's first year would be pointing out the winning % of the teams we played and they'd be right to do so as it may very well be an indication of how well he did. With the case of the SEC being down, I'm not ready to say the ONLY reason we're at 9-3 is because of that, but if anyone doesn't at least wonder if this year was a good barometer for what we can expect I don;t think they're being honest with themselves.
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I'm tired of people blaming O for a soft SEC. I'm tired of people blind to the fact that the team has progressed late in the season
No...we see it. The difference is that we not only see that, but we also hold the coaches responsible, at least partly, for why we needed to see such a big turnaround in the first place. After all, while it may a good thing to point out that your son was able to get the car out of the ditch, it might also be wise to at least inquire about how it got there in the first place, and then hold responsible whoever was to blame.
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something most
Miles teams did not do (particularly after our yearly arse whipping to Bama
Miles' teams only regressed like that his final 2 seasons. It was not some trend beginning in 2005 and held true his entire tenure. and again, given they never tanked as badly as Orgeron's team did at the start of this season, being able to applaud some meteoric rise fro the grave was never really on the table...as you'd have had to be in the grave to start with.
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tired of people saying that O's record at Ol Miss has anything to do with the here and now
Well, it does until it doesn't and that goes back to the hire. He has yet to show any long term sustained proof that he's a better coach than he was at Ole Miss. Until he does, the smart money is on a likely repeat because it's the only data points we have. now...had he gone elsewhere and had a good sustained run on his own as the head guy, continuing to talk only about ole miss would be a bad luck and a dishonest move.
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Need I go on? Because I can.
Sure! I have to head out a bit but I'll catch up in a few hours.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:49 pm to RedTigerRulz
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But we are certainly no worse off than we were before
The jury is still deliberating, my man.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:07 pm to RedTigerRulz
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There are some......who would still believe......that O doesn't deserve the job.
i dont think he deserved the job. he had done nothing to warrant getting the lsu job.
but he does have the job and at this moment he hasnt done anything that warrants getting fired
and if we are all being honest...
there are posters that wanted the last regime fired for a 1 loss season where we won the sec title and finished #2 in the country
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:14 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Miles' teams only regressed like that his final 2 seasons. It was not some trend beginning in 2005 and held true his entire tenure. and again, given they never tanked as badly as Orgeron's team did at the start of this season, being able to applaud some meteoric rise fro the grave was never really on the table...as you'd have had to be in the grave to start with.
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this is what i dont get as well.
someone needs to explain why it's better for the season to be essentially over by week 5
than
to be undefeated and reach #1 in the country and then the season be over in week 9.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:16 pm to RedTigerRulz
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There are some......who would still believe......that O doesn't deserve the job.
Well what makes O deserving or qualified for this position?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:17 pm to Mo Jeaux
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The jury is still deliberating, my man.
My point....lets wait and see. What's the harm? We've havent been relevant since 2011...what's one more year?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:19 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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to be undefeated and reach #1 in the country and then the season be over in week 9.
expectations friend. high expectations when you go that far undefeated and then shite the bed. Thats why 1-9 still pisses people off to this day.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:19 pm to Tigerbait357
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Well what makes O deserving or qualified for this position?
Nothing...absolutely nothing. I would not have hired the man myself.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:32 pm to RedTigerRulz
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expectations friend. high expectations when you go that far undefeated and then shite the bed. Thats why 1-9 still pisses people off to this day.
and O had expectations of lsu making the playoffs this year.
and no its not the norm for coaches go publicly say that next year we are a playoff team.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:35 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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and O had expectations of lsu making the playoffs this year.
and no its not the norm for coaches go publicly say that next year we are a playoff team.
no arguments here...clearly a dumbass thing to say.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:35 pm to RedTigerRulz
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My point....lets wait and see. What's the harm? We've havent been relevant since 2011...what's one more year?
the point of firing Miles WASNT TO WAIT 3 YEARS.
you yourself said the only thing holding lsu back from winning titles was miles and now we need to wait years?
red i love you but just go ahead and admit your ok with 9/10 win seasons as long as Miles isnt the coach. it doesnt even matter that the offense doesnt score as much as Miles' teams.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:35 pm to lsu2006
I am very excited about our defense next year. I believe our DL is gonna be one of the best we have seen here at LSU in years
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:35 pm to RedTigerRulz
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My point....lets wait and see. What's the harm?
Well, yes, we have to wait and see. The harm is that the odds say that more damage than good will be done in the interim. I hope we beat the odds.
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We've havent been relevant since 2011.
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what's one more year?
Well, according to many O supporters, next year won't be the year either. So it will be/has been at least two. I don't know what excuses are in store for us in 2019.
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