re: I still think BK is building something special here at LSU, and it revolves around...

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Compare the talent on the roster inherited by each of those coaches.

Nick Saban

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Umm, the team Nick Saban inherited went 4-7 and 3-8 the previous two years leading up.

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Umm, the team did not go 4-7 and 3-8 because of talent. Look at the roster, not the record. That team performed poorly for different reasons, including:

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Its 9-3. Stop using a meaningless bowl game where there are opt outs, and we are playing a pansie B1G school to prop up your argument. It’s about to be 9-3 again . Possibly even 8-4….. Oh I’m sorry after the exhibition bowl game that will be 9-4.

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yea, I'm tired of the "10-win season" argument.

A "10-win season" was really an accomplishment back in the day, with an 11-game regular season and only 12 bowl games.

But now, we have a 12-game regular season and 40+ bowl games. And our regular season has 3 cupcakes, so getting to 10 wins isn't what it once was.

Now, I will acknowledge that going 10-2 in the regular season, with close losses to two very good teams, with a loss in a major bowl is FAR DIFFERENT (and better) than going 9-3 in regular season with a win in a shitty bowl. Those two 10-3 scenarios are far different.

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Is Sloan an elite OC?

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No. But he is an elite QB coach and he recruits elite QBs. He was made an OC to 100% keep Underwood. It is what it is. He will get better at calling plays as he gets more experience. It will also be much easier to call plays with a QB who is a threat to run at any time. Do you think Denbrock is an elite OC? No, he had Jayden frickin Daniels and he used that to get a pay bump.

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Is Baker elite?

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I would say so. Look at the change in defense from this year to last year. And we actually have LESS talent than last year. Baker is making chicken salad out of chicken shite and it's going to be absolute fun watching this defense destroy teams over the next few years with the talent coming in. You are basing him not being elite on 1 quarter. And if you rewatch the game, he had guys in position, but again, no talent. Several times safeties are in position to make the tackle and they miss. This will change as better talent comes in.

Now, stop cherry picking and look at the rest of the coaching staff. You have ELITE coaches at skill positions. Look at the DL, damn near the least talented dline I have seen at LSU in a long time + no depth and they are playing WELL above their talent level.

Point is, the future is absolutely bright for this LSU team. If they can keep the coaching staff in place and keep the recruits that are committed + get a few more... they will be winning national championships. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.

People crap on Kelly but he’s trying to build a program, not just a team.

Kirby Smart started at Georgia in 2016. He didn’t win a title until 2021. Because of a loss in the SEC title game it wasn’t a foregone conclusion they’d even make the playoffs because a one loss ND was sitting there as a potential team as well. I think Kelly leaving actually screwed ND out of a potential playoff appearance.

Everything he is doing points towards this team going in the right direction.