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I really don’t understand Marceaux and Hill’s sore arms.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:11 am
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:11 am
They both go go through fall practice and spring practice including pitching in intrasquad scrimmages. They are good enough and strong enoug to become weekend starters and then suddenly develop sore arms once the season starts after pitching in 1 or 2 games on a limited pitch count. And have been on the shelf several weeks now with no end in sight. I just don’t get it.
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Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:14 am to gumbeaux
That's understandable. The coaching stuff doesn't understand it, either. That's why we keep having these issues.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:14 am to gumbeaux
You don't get that throwing a baseball in a high intensity environment can lead to arm soreness?
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:20 am to ProjectP2294
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You don't get that throwing a baseball in a high intensity environment can lead to arm soreness?
No.....I don’t.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:23 am to gumbeaux
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No.....I don’t.
You don’t follow MLB much.
Guys get hurt constantly despite getting the best care in the world.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:23 am to gumbeaux
Cue BigEdLSU in 5,4,3,2...
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:25 am to gumbeaux
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No.....I don’t.
Then i'm not sure you should watch baseball. Try something a little less challenging, like paint drying or grass growing.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:28 am to gumbeaux
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No.....I don’t.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:29 am to gumbeaux
Don’t think of it as a sore arm like you might feel after a workout. It’s probably more of discomfort from an unknown reason and they don’t want them pitching until it feels right or you risk a major injury.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:32 am to gumbeaux
Blame it on travel ball.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:33 am to gumbeaux
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I just don’t get it.
Not all freshman are Aaron Nola or Alex Lange. Kids a pitching more these days from youth baseball upward.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:33 am to doubleb
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You don’t follow MLB much.
Guy's in MLB dont overthrow, most of their injuries occur on the mound, in games. They're very regimented in work outs and bp sessions.
The Hill/Marceaux arm problems are probably remnant of unregimented over throwing in HS and year round baseball.
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 8:36 am
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:34 am to gumbeaux
Young kid said to be phenom
Young kid playing in front of 10k for first time
Young kid wants to impress
Young kid pumped full of adrenaline
Young kid goes 100% on pitches and goes too hard too fast
Young kid gets sore arm
It's not unreasonable. It's crazy that it's happened so much here.
A lot of these kids were over worked in travel ball through high school and issues might not pop up in fall because the work load is not the same.
Then when you get to game time and when are supposed to pitch at 75%, you instead go full arm strength and tire out quicker. Then he might try to rush back to throwing quicker than he should
I don't know, and it seems neither does the staff. But from what I've seen, Mainieri has been overly cautious at times with arms and would yank a kid if he reaches his count even in a no-no. Unlike some schools that'll keep a kid in for 130-150 pitches..(was that Cohen?... ULL? Some team half a decade ago or so kept in a pitcher against LSU way beyond what is healthy because he was doing very good that night)
Young kid playing in front of 10k for first time
Young kid wants to impress
Young kid pumped full of adrenaline
Young kid goes 100% on pitches and goes too hard too fast
Young kid gets sore arm
It's not unreasonable. It's crazy that it's happened so much here.
A lot of these kids were over worked in travel ball through high school and issues might not pop up in fall because the work load is not the same.
Then when you get to game time and when are supposed to pitch at 75%, you instead go full arm strength and tire out quicker. Then he might try to rush back to throwing quicker than he should
I don't know, and it seems neither does the staff. But from what I've seen, Mainieri has been overly cautious at times with arms and would yank a kid if he reaches his count even in a no-no. Unlike some schools that'll keep a kid in for 130-150 pitches..(was that Cohen?... ULL? Some team half a decade ago or so kept in a pitcher against LSU way beyond what is healthy because he was doing very good that night)
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:42 am to OchoDedos
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Guy's in MLB dont overthrow, most of their injuries occur on the mound, in games. They're very regimented in work outs and bp sessions
And that’s my point, guys who get the best care and training get hurt all the time. If they do think about the problems with pitchers who difnt get the best care.
Btw, didn’t both Hill and Marceaux develop arm problems right after pitching in games?
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 8:43 am
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:44 am to Sasquatch Smash
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Not all freshman are Aaron Nola or Alex Lange. Kids a pitching more these days from youth baseball upward.
Pretty sure even they skipped a start or two their freshman years.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:50 am to sportsfan
I dont need to beat the drums anymore. Awareness levels have been raised.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:52 am to gumbeaux
I think it also has a lot to do with CPM being overly cautious and wanting to show he values their long term benefit over a short term gain. If you want to keep getting those kind of arms on campus you have to take care of them.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:52 am to gumbeaux
Well these days arm “soreness” is being treated more cautiously. So they take the extra time to bring them back slowly to try and prevent more complex issues. Gone are the days of ice and Advil to treat arm soreness.
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:56 am to TigerCub
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Not all freshman are Aaron Nola or Alex Lange. Kids a pitching more these days from youth baseball upward.
Pretty sure even they skipped a start or two their freshman years.
Nola 2012: Started 16, appeared in 19. (89.2 innings.)
Lange 2015: Started 17, appeared in 17. (114 innings, more than Poche who started 18.)
Don't think they missed anything.
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 9:02 am
Posted on 4/2/19 at 8:57 am to Sasquatch Smash
I'm almost 100% certain that Lange skipped a start at some point his freshman season.
ETA: He skipped the Auburn weekend that year.
ETA: He skipped the Auburn weekend that year.
This post was edited on 4/2/19 at 9:02 am
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