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re: I keep hearing about about the roster that the current coaching staff inherited
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:41 pm to p226
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:41 pm to p226
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And who would you rather see as HC? 2-3 names? I’d be curious to hear.
Always a good question. And under his criteria everyone of their assistant coaches had to be perfect. That rules out just about everybody.
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Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:16 pm to Tammany Tom
This defense has looked bed all season and have increasingly looked and played worse as the season has progressed. You play with what you got but that's no excuse for players not improving as the season goes on.
News Flash! There are tons of Freshmen playing all around CFB and our young guys look as bad as any. I live in Atlanta and I assure you that LSU has more talent on defense than Ga St. has on offense.
When players continue to make the same mistakes over and over again, it's more than just lack of talent. Issues not being corrected is coaching.
This staff does not make notable adjustments in-game. It's as if they're so smart, to the point of being stupid. Why do you think LSU has lost some defensive recruits? Why do you think recruits in "positions of need" are going elsewhere? This defense is a mess and lack of talent is less of the problem than coaching.
News Flash! There are tons of Freshmen playing all around CFB and our young guys look as bad as any. I live in Atlanta and I assure you that LSU has more talent on defense than Ga St. has on offense.
When players continue to make the same mistakes over and over again, it's more than just lack of talent. Issues not being corrected is coaching.
This staff does not make notable adjustments in-game. It's as if they're so smart, to the point of being stupid. Why do you think LSU has lost some defensive recruits? Why do you think recruits in "positions of need" are going elsewhere? This defense is a mess and lack of talent is less of the problem than coaching.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:25 pm to Meatball
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I get it
Apparently you don’t
Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:31 pm to ellis197575
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This defense has looked bed all season and have increasingly looked and played worse as the season has progressed. You play with what you got but that's no
I’m certainly not saying that the defensive coaching doesn’t have a lot of the responsibility on why our defense is bad.
But, a lot of our fans simply cannot comprehend the serious lack of talent and depth on defense.
How can a defense improve over the course of a season when 75% of the players in our secondary that started the season aren’t able to play now??
We have true freshman recruited to play safety starting at Corner (Toviano). Do some of you not understand the difference in talent required to play corner rather than safety in the SEC?
Kelly said prior to the season that this team had major holes and wasn’t ready to compete for a championship, but no one wanted to listen. We now have far bigger holes, defensively, than we did when he made that statement. I didn’t even address the fact that we lost our D line coach at the beginning of the season too.
A lot of you need to face reality, LSU simply doesn’t have the roster to compete for what you all want.
I’m certainly not a fan of Matt House, but he was dealt a really bad hand of cards this year.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:33 pm to Meatball
What do you people not understand about what he was left. Last year we had 1 player drafted in the first 3 rds of the draft(what O left). This year we won't have any defensive players drafted in the forst 3 rounds. O's last 2 classes should be the starters for this team yet all our standouts are young or transfers. This regime has had 1 fricking class and you expect him to just fix the worst lsu situation since Dinardo with 1 class?
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:35 pm to Tammany Tom
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We lost our captain and best safety because of a brain tumor at the beginning if the season - Brooks
We lost one of our most talented corners to a broken leg before the season started. - JK Johnson
We lost 2 of our best transfer corners due to idiocy (Denver Harris & Chestnut)
We lost our other top transfer corner to injury against Army - Alexander
We lost our reserve safety who was playing well to injury - Sams
We lost our best D-lineman to injury -Wingo
Do you think any of these "fans" care about the facts. The damn op is dismissing the amount of talent Kelly had to start with. Like we weren't having g losing seasons before he got here.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:36 pm to tigersbh
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2 of the first 3 drives. I guess they have more talent than us. lol
Do you follow the sport? It's common knowledge that the first 15 or so scripted plays ate usually the best and most practiced plays a team has. What happened after that? Our talent took over.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:39 pm to ellis197575
quote:That's why they were held scoreless after their 3rd possession. You realize they scored on 2 possessions all game, right?
There are tons of Freshmen playing all around CFB and our young guys look as bad as any. I live in Atlanta and I assure you that LSU has more talent on defense than Ga St. has on offense.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:40 pm to Meatball
Maybe your just "hearing" and not thinking it through. You just want to complain because it's easier than comparing this year's talent and injuries.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:41 pm to Tammany Tom
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Kelly said prior to the season that this team had major holes and wasn’t ready to compete for a championship, but no one wanted to listen
These people just can't fathom how far O let this program down. They think Kelly inherited the same type of program Miles and O did.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:52 pm to Tammany Tom
I'm glad you put this here. I've heard the commentators say the past two games that "House isn't able to play the scheme he wants because of injuries". Like they've been handed this talking point from LSU and are told to parrot it. They maybe have been saying that all season, and I'm sure that's partially true.
But we've looked like shite all season so it's not like having to play freshmen at CB now suddenly forced us to change scheme the past 2 games.
But we've looked like shite all season so it's not like having to play freshmen at CB now suddenly forced us to change scheme the past 2 games.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:55 pm to Meatball
The fact is that LSU had better defensive personnel last year than this. Kelly had nothing to do with that. Next year should begin to reflect his his influence on the defense.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 6:23 pm to GeauxHouston
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Well pretty much all the dudes from 2021 are gone… Ojulari, Gaye, Baskerville, etc.
This is what the O defenders and mouth-breathers don't understand.
The current staff inherited 25 scholarship defensive players from the prior staff.
6/7 were building blocks for the 2022 defense depending on how you feel about Major Burns (Ojulari,Smith, Roy, Gaye, Baskerville, Ward and Burns).
4 were developing players/rotational players (Guillory, Mike Jones, Penn and Ryan).
the other 14 were cannon fodder and Nudie McGlothern.
Only 2 of the building blocks and 3 of the developing/rotational players were still at LSU in 2023 with 2 of the cannon fodder remaining also (Langston and Langlois).
7 of 25 inherited players remain at LSU for the 2023 season.
Only having 25 in the pipeline is a failure by the prior coaching staff; and only having 11 (10 and Mikes Jones, Jr.) functional players out of that 25 is a major failing by the prior coaching staff. Having McGlothern as the only viable CB is a major failure by the previous coaching staff. Only having Baskerville and Penn at LB as viable players is a major failure by the previous coaching staff. Only having Guillory as a developing player at DL is a failure by the prior coaching staff.
Hence, the necessity of the strong usage of the portal in years 1 and 2 by the current coaching staff. And people wonder why year 2 of the defense is worse than year 1 under Kelly and House.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 8:38 am to Curtis Lowe
This makes sense. Next year will probably be very difficult.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 8:39 am to Meatball
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A competent coaching staff would have them being at least a middle of the pack defensive team in year two.
Is it really that facile? If so, please explain your position. Thanks.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 8:44 am to Meatball
that excuse has long ago expired
Posted on 11/20/23 at 8:49 am to ellis197575
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News Flash! There are tons of Freshmen playing all around CFB and our young guys look as bad as any. I live in Atlanta and I assure you that LSU has more talent on defense than Ga St. has on offense.
And we held Ga. State to 14 points. I know you live in Atlanta, but here in BR that isn’t bad.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:12 am to FLObserver
quote:BK could have brought his assistants with him had he not LIED to them and left them high and dry before he asked them to follow him to LSU... This was said in public interviews on television this is not heresay!!! Kelly is a subpar human. I'm not saying we should have retained Coach O but he was a far superior recruiter than BK
Sure lets just drop the coach that is still owed like 90 million on his contract. I dont think BK had the luxury of hiring the best because most of the top assistants had already taken jobs when kelly was hired due to him being hired late in the process. Last year was just lets rebuild this decimnated team with what we got. Now i believe kelly will start making the hires he really wants but LSU will have to spend the money to get the people they want. House needs to go first because he cant seem to make adjustments during the game and his recruiting is subpar. Im hoping after the A&M game coaching changes will be made on defensive side.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:14 am to slackster
There was plenty of talent here but they all left when Coach O did...Coach O may have checked out on the coaching aspect but he was still a master recruiter
Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:22 am to SJHTIGER
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There was plenty of talent here but they all left when Coach O did...Coach O may have checked out on the coaching aspect but he was still a master recruiter
Go look at O’s last two classes and it was loaded with guys that were rated high, but didn’t play up to their ratings. Many of them were out of state guys that played defense and we were excited to get them.
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