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re: I have no problem with Crowton and here is why...
Posted on 12/2/10 at 1:00 pm to Chazz Reinhold
Posted on 12/2/10 at 1:00 pm to Chazz Reinhold
quote:
Do a better job evaluating not only talent but also intelligence
+1,000
The NFL Hall of Fame is full of QBs with limited physical abilities...but very high IQs.
Hell, Drew Brees is 5-11 with very average speed and a very average arm. His talent is located between his ears.
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Posted on 12/2/10 at 1:06 pm to justmebeno
quote:
The one game JJ was throwing like a real Sec Quaterback Crowton called an awesome game.
What's more likely:
Jefferson played well so Crowton called a different style of game
or
Crowton called a different style of game and Jefferson played well
?
Posted on 12/2/10 at 1:22 pm to Chazz Reinhold
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In 2007 he had Flynn/RP at QB and a solid offensive line. Our offense was awesome
So if we could just recruit 5th year senior future NFL QBs who have been coached up by someone else and #1 rated prep all american QBs crowton should be fine?
Well frick
Posted on 12/2/10 at 1:24 pm to Chazz Reinhold
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In 2007 he had Flynn/RP at QB and a solid offensive line. Our offense was awesome. Since then he has had Hatch, Lee, and Jefferson. None of which belong in the SEC. I don't think there is a coordinator in the country who could do better with the crap we have had to work with. If anyone is to blame, it's Miles for allowing this to happen. If Mettenberger comes, I predict a much improved offense. If not, it will be the same thing next year. If you fire Crowton now, fine, but who do you think can magically make our QBs play better than they have?
So were bad qbs also to blame the other several years in his career with below average offenses?
Posted on 12/2/10 at 1:25 pm to Chazz Reinhold
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Since then he has had Hatch, Lee, and Jefferson. None of which belong in the SEC. I don't think there is a coordinator in the country who could do better with the crap we have had to work with.
The same year we got Jefferson, we had a commitment from Darron Thomas. Based on ypg, Oregon has the #1 offense and LSU has the 89th. Do you really think those numbers would flip if we had D. Thomas and Oregon had JJ?
It ain't just the QB.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 1:43 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
What's more likely:
Jefferson played well so Crowton called a different style of game
or
Crowton called a different style of game and Jefferson played well
or C
JJ got lucky a few times this year and is still ranked in the 100"s as far as passing...
nice try though, i like how you set up your question to blame play calling INSTEAD of JJ...when it should be BOTH are to be blamed...
Posted on 12/2/10 at 1:45 pm to TigerFan55555
All I'm saying is that the playcalling in both Alabama and Ole Miss were dramatically different than the rest of the season. We created matchups between our WR and the LB crew. We used the tight end. We used playaction. And we actually threw the ball in the middle of the field.
The result? The best two offensive games of the year.
Draw your own conclusion.
The result? The best two offensive games of the year.
Draw your own conclusion.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 1:48 pm to willeteal
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But LSU's offense has not finished in the 50s or 60s the last THREE years.
WRONG. we were #55 in 2008.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 1:56 pm to Chazz Reinhold
well i guess its not crowtons fault we dont have a qb. oh wait it fricking is his fault
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:13 pm to heartbreakTiger
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:14 pm to Antonio Moss
Are you serious? How can you back Crowton because he had good game plans in 2 games? 2 GAMES?!?! What about the other 10 games? This is what Crowton does it's been proven. He comes into an offense and has ONE good year with the talent that was left to him. Then he implements his discombobulated clusterfrick offense and the numbers consistently drop.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:16 pm to RB10
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Are you serious? How can you back Crowton because he had good game plans in 2 games? 2 GAMES?!?! What about the other 10 games? This is what Crowton does it's been proven. He comes into an offense and has ONE good year with the talent that was left to him. Then he implements his discombobulated clusterfrick offense and the numbers consistently drop.
1) Step One: Take a deep breath
2) Step Two: Read my post again. Repeat if necessary.
3) Step Three: Recover.
There is no one that despises Gary Crowton as much as I do. Of this, I can assure you.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:16 pm to Chazz Reinhold
quote:
If you fire Crowton now, fine, but who do you think can magically make our QBs play better than they have?
You are a very narrow minded moron
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:22 pm to willeteal
quote:Im not a big #9 fan, but this is the damn truth
I'm tired of hearing this shite about JJ.
No matter what you think about Jefferson, he has been a far better QB than Crowton has been an OC.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:28 pm to Chimlim
quote:
LSU was dead last in the SEC in passing. Are you suggesting there isn't one coordinator in the country who could have done better then that?
Considering the quality of the QB's, I don't know if ANY coordinator could make that passing game move. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shite.....
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:31 pm to Coastal Tiger
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't one of the "7" TD passes thrown by a running back? Didn't Ware throw one? So, 6 passes by our QB's...that is pitiful, .5 TD per game this year.... 
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:32 pm to TruLsu
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No matter what you think about Jefferson, he has been a far better QB than Crowton has been an OC.
Oh my God. Really?
Let's say Crowton has a 1,000 page playbook. If his QB only has the mental ability to understand 10 pages, then the other 990 are USELESS.
Crowton could have the greatest offensive plan in the world, but if the QB can't grasp it, it doesn't mean jack. He therefore has to revert to the 10 pages that the QB does know and try to make an offense around that.
At least that's how I view the situation. Thoughts?
This post was edited on 12/2/10 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:37 pm to Coastal Tiger
quote:
Considering the quality of the QB's, I don't know if ANY coordinator could make that passing game move. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shite....
Dennis Dixon 2006: 197/322 2143 yards 61.2% 6.66 ypa 12 TDs/14 Ints 120.7 rating
Jordan Jefferson 2009: 182/296 2166 yards 61.5% 7.32 ypa 17 TDs/7 Ints 137.2 rating
Dennis Dixon without Mr. Wizzard: 172/254 2136 yards 67.7% 8.41 ypa 20 TDs/4 Ints 161.2 rating
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:42 pm to Coastal Tiger
quote:
Let's say Crowton has a 1,000 page playbook. If his QB only has the mental ability to understand 10 pages, then the other 990 are USELESS. Crowton could have the greatest offensive plan in the world, but if the QB can't grasp it, it doesn't mean jack. He therefore has to revert to the 10 pages that the QB does know and try to make an offense around that.
IMO thats why i think #9 did a better job than GC. GC should have realized that if he cant run the offense, adjust it to make him better. JJ ran the plays that were called to the best he could. Its just the plays that were called were not beneficial to the playmaker used.
This post was edited on 12/2/10 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 12/2/10 at 2:44 pm to Chazz Reinhold
quote:
Coaching up Jefferson is like putting icing on a turd and calling it a cake. It's still a turd no matter what you do to it. But if you like eating turds, then good luck finding someone else.
this is what so many people don't understand. at all. So rivals says a player is a 4 or 5 star and that makes it so? what about hester, wasn't he a 2 or 3, but arguably one of the most valuable players of the last decade? Recruiting stars are nice and generally a good representation, but by no means gospel. It's obvious just watching JJ that he rarely has field presence, for whatever reason and JL, well, he seemed to play decently in his chances this year, but rarely had the chance to get into a rythm, so who knows. I'm no huge Crowton fan and sometimes it seems his schemes are too broad and require too much thinking from the qb position, but when he has a guy at qb who can make the site reads by reacting instead of thinking, the offense does well. when he doesn't, it doesn't. not that complicated. his big failure, imho, is his seeming inability to adjust to having a qb who doesn't fit the profile. And that's a pretty big failure, but to say his scheme is dumb, or he doesn't know or understand football is just foolish. very, very foolish.
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