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re: I don't like Alleva either
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:39 am to Run DMC
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:39 am to Run DMC
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The ones that continue to rail against Will Wade
If you watch your best friend murder someone and you call him out on it, are you railing against him?
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we have some dumbass fans
I agree, and you're one of them.
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Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:39 am to TchPowDog
Regardless if Wade is guilty or not, we all knew of the wiretap last October and in the conversation transcripts that were released, it sounded like something that needed thorough investigation. Did that happen? No. That's on Alleva.
All of the existing players and their parents should have been interviewed right then and there and sources of the leak should have been tracked down to try and get any information related to possible recruiting issues, etc. It took another transcript leak before the last regular season game of the season for LSU to suddenly get concerned. That's poor due diligence. And Alleva making some of these boneheaded comments during the tourney was unprofessional and completely unnecessary.
All of the existing players and their parents should have been interviewed right then and there and sources of the leak should have been tracked down to try and get any information related to possible recruiting issues, etc. It took another transcript leak before the last regular season game of the season for LSU to suddenly get concerned. That's poor due diligence. And Alleva making some of these boneheaded comments during the tourney was unprofessional and completely unnecessary.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:40 am to TchPowDog
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If you watch your best friend murder someone and you call him out on it, are you railing against him?
What crime do you have first hand knowledge Wade committed? STFU moron
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:40 am to LNCHBOX
quote:What did their coaches say on tape? I haven't followed it.
Ask Missouri and Ole Miss how that works in reality...
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:40 am to AlxTgr
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What did their coaches say on tape? I haven't followed it.
What did ours say?
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:41 am to TchPowDog
quote:Wow!
If you watch your best friend murder someone
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:42 am to AlxTgr
does the ncaa have the tapes?
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:45 am to TchPowDog
quote:Do you suck on Joe's left or right nut first?
Alleva has been host of his share of shite-shows the past few years, but he got this one right.
Your thread title is off just a hair!
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:45 am to TchPowDog
This has been shot down over and over again in countless other threads. I don’t know how people think that Alleva handled this properly. Instead over going point by point, I’ll just repost what has been discussed in these other threads:
“Wade has been subpoenaed to testify in a federal criminal trial as a witness. Alleva and King asked to speak with him about things that he would likely testify to at the trial, and later want to include representatives from the NCAA. Wade’s attorney, LIKE ANY ATTORNEY WORTH THEIR SALT, advised him not to talk about ANY of this to ANYONE, until the trial is over. If he does, he subjects everyone he speaks with to being wrapped up into this trial as an attempt to attack Wade’s credibility by seeing if his story is consistent. That is why Wade asked to let this play out first and asked to speak after the conclusion of the trial. Alleva and King should have understood and respected that request. It is completely reasonable.
Nobody is arguing whether Alleva could have suspended wade for not attending the meeting. I think everyone would also agree that if any employee does not meet with his boss, the boss could justifiably fire or suspend that employee. But this situation is not that black and white. Everyone is trying to tell you that, just because Alleva COULD suspend with some justification, doesn’t mean he SHOULD. In fact, with all things and circumstances considered, it was the wrong choice.
The better choice was to back your coach and tell the NCAA that they are currently looking into this and hope to have a conclusion by the beginning of May when the trial is over. You have to stand firm and strong behind your coach, explain that you will be cooperative with the NCAA, but not rush to judgement until the Federal case plays out in a few weeks. You know, kind of like what Auburn did with Pearl, or Kansas did with Self, or what almost every other competent AD would have done. Instead, we treated Wade as if he was instantly toxic, branded him as guilty, and played it out in the public square.
We cast out a talented coach who has been nothing but a stellar ambassador for the program and the entire State, even in the face of this mud-slinging. We cut off our nose to spite our face. And for what? To placate and appease false alarmists and a toothless tyrants.”
Anyone believes Alleva handled this properly is either a troll, completely glib on PR, or is so asinine to the point that they are irredeemable.
“Wade has been subpoenaed to testify in a federal criminal trial as a witness. Alleva and King asked to speak with him about things that he would likely testify to at the trial, and later want to include representatives from the NCAA. Wade’s attorney, LIKE ANY ATTORNEY WORTH THEIR SALT, advised him not to talk about ANY of this to ANYONE, until the trial is over. If he does, he subjects everyone he speaks with to being wrapped up into this trial as an attempt to attack Wade’s credibility by seeing if his story is consistent. That is why Wade asked to let this play out first and asked to speak after the conclusion of the trial. Alleva and King should have understood and respected that request. It is completely reasonable.
Nobody is arguing whether Alleva could have suspended wade for not attending the meeting. I think everyone would also agree that if any employee does not meet with his boss, the boss could justifiably fire or suspend that employee. But this situation is not that black and white. Everyone is trying to tell you that, just because Alleva COULD suspend with some justification, doesn’t mean he SHOULD. In fact, with all things and circumstances considered, it was the wrong choice.
The better choice was to back your coach and tell the NCAA that they are currently looking into this and hope to have a conclusion by the beginning of May when the trial is over. You have to stand firm and strong behind your coach, explain that you will be cooperative with the NCAA, but not rush to judgement until the Federal case plays out in a few weeks. You know, kind of like what Auburn did with Pearl, or Kansas did with Self, or what almost every other competent AD would have done. Instead, we treated Wade as if he was instantly toxic, branded him as guilty, and played it out in the public square.
We cast out a talented coach who has been nothing but a stellar ambassador for the program and the entire State, even in the face of this mud-slinging. We cut off our nose to spite our face. And for what? To placate and appease false alarmists and a toothless tyrants.”
Anyone believes Alleva handled this properly is either a troll, completely glib on PR, or is so asinine to the point that they are irredeemable.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:46 am to AlxTgr
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What did their coaches say on tape? I haven't followed it.
Why are you acting like this is an argument in support of preemptively fricking your program? If anything it’s the opposite.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:53 am to LNCHBOX
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What crime do you have first hand knowledge Wade committed?
You clearly missed my point. STFU moron.
ETA: That was a bad analogy on my part. I shouldn't use college level analogies, I should use elementary level analogies for you people. The subject of that analogy is not the crime, but the effect of the crime on the relationship. Any crime and any amount of evidence works in that analogy, because it's not about that.
I'm not comparing witnessing murder to witnessing WW on the tapes. Think about it.
For that guy to say I'm "railing against Will Wade" simply for saying WW got himself in this situation, not Alleva. Don't you think that's a bit of a stretch?
And this is the problem I have with this whole situation. All you guys are so hell-bent on getting rid of Alleva, that you stretch reason and rationality to justify what you want to happen.
I want Alleva gone myself, but I can't even say he's done ONE THING right without everything saying "You love Alleva. You hate Will Wade" - think about how retarded it is to say that. It's mega-retarded to jump to that conclusion. And 95% of you are thinking that I like Alleva. It's amazing. It really is.
It's the exact same irrational thought when people on here see the first drive of our offense in a game and start shitting on the entire football program. It's incredibly stupid and incredibly childish.
This post was edited on 4/12/19 at 9:16 am
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:54 am to TchPowDog
quote:this has been my argument from Day 1.
If the situation you want ("Alleva should've reinstated Wade") happened to any other school, you would be shitting on that school.
If Will Wade was on tape as the head coach at A&M, Arky, Bama, etc, this board would be DESTROYING him as a cheater and demanding he be fired.
I don't mind people having their own views are to whether Wade should be fired, but they just need to be intellectually honest and consistent.
So in the future, if another SEC head coach is on tape saying what Wade said, then this board should defend him.
I'll await that with bated breath.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:56 am to TchPowDog
It’s a stupid analogy.
I’m not under the illusion that Wade is clean it hasn’t directly or indirectly participated in NCAA violations. My issue is our admin jumping the gun when these tapes almost certainly will never be public. Without more than what we have or SOME kind of corroboration, what is the NCAA going to be able to do? This is or should have been a run out the clock scenario.
I’m not under the illusion that Wade is clean it hasn’t directly or indirectly participated in NCAA violations. My issue is our admin jumping the gun when these tapes almost certainly will never be public. Without more than what we have or SOME kind of corroboration, what is the NCAA going to be able to do? This is or should have been a run out the clock scenario.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:57 am to atltiger6487
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this has been my argument from Day 1.
And you've been a moron since day one.
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If Will Wade was on tape as the head coach at A&M, Arky, Bama, etc, this board would be DESTROYING him as a cheater and demanding he be fired.
You have no clue if he's actually on tape or what he actually said. Any other fanbase would rightfully tell you to shut the frick up and wait until something actually comes out.
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So in the future, if another SEC head coach is on tape saying what Wade said, then this board should defend him.
I'll await that with bated breath.
How about you stop making the same shitty posts until you have actual proof of Wade doing something wrong?
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:57 am to TchPowDog
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You clearly missed my point. STFU moron.
Aww, someone is mad that he can't answer the question that blows up his retarded line of thinking.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:58 am to TchPowDog
Hey touchdown- How many Coaches do you think will want to work for your Bud Alleva now?
Posted on 4/12/19 at 8:59 am to atltiger6487
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So in the future, if another SEC head coach is on tape saying what Wade said, then this board should defend him.
You know lots of other schools are implicated in this whole thing right? There are text message conversations from Bill Self.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 9:07 am to atltiger6487
quote:and who then would be taking up for him?
If Will Wade was on tape as the head coach at A&M, Arky, Bama, etc, this board would be DESTROYING him as a cheater and demanding he be fired.
I'm asking as a person who just watched the "taking up for him" in action. I just watched Roy Williams skate unscathed after the UNC "paperclass" controversy. I just watched an unsuspended Bill Self coach Kansas thru all its games this year, etc. Were we DESTROYING them as cheaters and demanding they be fired as you claim?
Maybe not so much? Hmmm?
Meanwhile, were there people HEAVILY defending them?
Seems there were, indeed . . . . and quite successfully.
So what was your point again?
Posted on 4/12/19 at 9:08 am to TchPowDog
The fact that every single one of the Joe/AD trolls have been out in full force and in every Wade thread spewing the same ignorant talking points they’ve been spamming the board with for a month makes me somewhat leery of what may transpire during today’s meeting.
Even Derek, who for most of the past month stayed out of it, has been among the most vitriolic of the anti-Wade / pro-Alleva trolls the past week or so.
All this suggests to me that Clueless Joe’s fragile little ego has been bruised, and that Wade’s reinstatement isn’t necessarily a guarantee.
I sincerely hope I’m wrong, but the fact that they all show up en masse on the same days, at the same times and in the same threads seems like an awful lot to write off as mere coincidence.
Even Derek, who for most of the past month stayed out of it, has been among the most vitriolic of the anti-Wade / pro-Alleva trolls the past week or so.
All this suggests to me that Clueless Joe’s fragile little ego has been bruised, and that Wade’s reinstatement isn’t necessarily a guarantee.
I sincerely hope I’m wrong, but the fact that they all show up en masse on the same days, at the same times and in the same threads seems like an awful lot to write off as mere coincidence.
This post was edited on 4/12/19 at 9:09 am
Posted on 4/12/19 at 9:11 am to TchPowDog
Alleva's job is to direct the LSU athletic department. It is now to kowtow to the NCAA. There is no benefit to LSU in doing so. The NCAA is a bullshite cartel that does not exist to promote LSU. The only thing you need to to see the accept the truth of that is the NCAA's inconsistency in enforcing its bullshite rules.
UNC got caught depriving its players of the real benefit of the bargain of the "make us money, we'll give you an education" deal. They did not get in a scrap of trouble. So, there is no bargain. There is nothing to enforce and the NCAA only exists to maintain the status quo and make people other than the profit generators rich. If the NCAA disbanded tomorrow, would college athletics cease to exist?
In suspending Wade without conducting his own independent investigation he failed LSU to the benefit of the NCAA. He failed in his job and it cost LSU prestige and money.
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UNC got caught depriving its players of the real benefit of the bargain of the "make us money, we'll give you an education" deal. They did not get in a scrap of trouble. So, there is no bargain. There is nothing to enforce and the NCAA only exists to maintain the status quo and make people other than the profit generators rich. If the NCAA disbanded tomorrow, would college athletics cease to exist?
In suspending Wade without conducting his own independent investigation he failed LSU to the benefit of the NCAA. He failed in his job and it cost LSU prestige and money.
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