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Posted on 5/1/17 at 3:31 pm to LSU Jax
What if the referees wouldve blown the whistle loud enough for Pocic to hear thus allowing him to snap the ball in time at Auburn?
What ifs dont count, never have. LSU was a double digit favorite at home against Fla. You have to win that game. LSU was still in the hunt for the Sugar Bowl at that time with only 1 SEC loss at Auburn.
O has gotten his chance, what anyone says about last year or recruiting doesnt mean a thing. He will be judged starting this fall on his W/L record. He better win 10 games with this team or real criticism will begin.
What ifs dont count, never have. LSU was a double digit favorite at home against Fla. You have to win that game. LSU was still in the hunt for the Sugar Bowl at that time with only 1 SEC loss at Auburn.
O has gotten his chance, what anyone says about last year or recruiting doesnt mean a thing. He will be judged starting this fall on his W/L record. He better win 10 games with this team or real criticism will begin.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 3:44 pm to LSU Jax
My first preference was Jimbo, but when we couldn't get Jimbo, then I preferred O to Herman. Herman wasn't proven, but nonetheless, because he ran the spread, a lot of people believed he was a guru, which he demonstrated during this last season that he was not. Not to mention, that he didn't want the LSU job anyway.
I know a lot of people hold O's Ole Miss record over his head, but I believe that in his two stints as interim head coach at two top flight schools, that he proved he had learned his lessons from his mistake. Even Hugh Freeze says that had O been allowed to stay one more season he would have turned it around. In addition, when most people learn from their own stupid mistakes, they usually learn better.
Herman, on the other hand, for me was way too unproven in my mind. Meanwhile, Herman was afraid of the LSU job, as he also admitted, and he obviously didn't want it. Texas was the place he wanted to be because he had previously coached there and felt far more comfortable. Not to mention, that the program is basically built back up already thanks to Charlie Strong.
In addition, I didn't see anyone else outside those three that were worthy of the job. Indeed, who we had? Mike Gundy? He wasn't going anywhere. I have seen him say too many time over the years that he is never leaving his dream job at Oklahoma state. Not to mention, that while his offenses have been pretty good, his defenses have always sucked. I didn't feel like Larry Fedora wanted to come and I didn't consider him to be any better that Herman or O. Plus he would have been more expensive than either O or Herman. I'm sorry I didn't consider PJ Fleck to be qualified. Who else am I overlooking?
You know we might have been able to get someone else, but if we had, they would have been probably a lot more expensive and not any better than O. In addition, an entirely new coaching staff would have had to have been brought in. With O it worked out great with a minimum of disruption and upheaval, as the team had already bought into him and his program. Not to mention, it really worked out well for recruiting as well. Indeed, ever since Miles was ousted, I sense the players and the team at large from the players to the coaches being a lot happier and a lot more motivated.
I know a lot of people hold O's Ole Miss record over his head, but I believe that in his two stints as interim head coach at two top flight schools, that he proved he had learned his lessons from his mistake. Even Hugh Freeze says that had O been allowed to stay one more season he would have turned it around. In addition, when most people learn from their own stupid mistakes, they usually learn better.
Herman, on the other hand, for me was way too unproven in my mind. Meanwhile, Herman was afraid of the LSU job, as he also admitted, and he obviously didn't want it. Texas was the place he wanted to be because he had previously coached there and felt far more comfortable. Not to mention, that the program is basically built back up already thanks to Charlie Strong.
In addition, I didn't see anyone else outside those three that were worthy of the job. Indeed, who we had? Mike Gundy? He wasn't going anywhere. I have seen him say too many time over the years that he is never leaving his dream job at Oklahoma state. Not to mention, that while his offenses have been pretty good, his defenses have always sucked. I didn't feel like Larry Fedora wanted to come and I didn't consider him to be any better that Herman or O. Plus he would have been more expensive than either O or Herman. I'm sorry I didn't consider PJ Fleck to be qualified. Who else am I overlooking?
You know we might have been able to get someone else, but if we had, they would have been probably a lot more expensive and not any better than O. In addition, an entirely new coaching staff would have had to have been brought in. With O it worked out great with a minimum of disruption and upheaval, as the team had already bought into him and his program. Not to mention, it really worked out well for recruiting as well. Indeed, ever since Miles was ousted, I sense the players and the team at large from the players to the coaches being a lot happier and a lot more motivated.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 3:48 pm to Choupique19
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Where was our motivation? We ran our mouths in the week leading up to the game then couldn't back it up. A Sugar Bowl trip would have been a good finish to the year.
LSU Total yds 423
UF total yds 270
We dominated them. We didn't lose because of a lack of motivation. I know this is cliche for losers but we truly beat ourselves
Posted on 5/1/17 at 4:01 pm to Howyouluhdat
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UF total yds 270
98 of which came on a single play
Even with better offensive play against bama, who know's if it translates to a win. I mean look what Clemson had to do to put them away.
The UF game pisses me off so much more. Arkansas, Bama, and FSU absolutely shredded this team. Such a bizarre loss.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 4:15 pm to c on z
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It was also the game that was supposed to put him out of the running for good for the job.
Why do people keep saying this as if it was a written law? Nobody said that other than people on the rant that think their opinion is important.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 4:29 pm to LSU Jax
There would still be doubts. A good 10% of the fan base (and a third of the rant) will not be able to let go of the Ole Miss stint over a decade ago.
But if we went to the Sugar Bowl and won, I think the cautiously optimistic majority of fans would have a lot less concern. After all, since his flame out at Ole Miss, he's faired very well taking two programs to successful second halves of disastrous seasons and is a proven recruiter. The players love him.
I am in the category of fans who is slightly more than cautiously optimistic. I think he learned his lesson. I think he is a man who knows his limits. I think he will purposefully keep his own salary down to ensure we always have the best coordinators. I think being a career d line coach, he isn't in is for money. He wants to win. He loves Louisiana.
Honestly, if you are running him down without letting it play out at least a year, you really need to assess whether you are an LSU fan or a fan of your own opinion.
But if we went to the Sugar Bowl and won, I think the cautiously optimistic majority of fans would have a lot less concern. After all, since his flame out at Ole Miss, he's faired very well taking two programs to successful second halves of disastrous seasons and is a proven recruiter. The players love him.
I am in the category of fans who is slightly more than cautiously optimistic. I think he learned his lesson. I think he is a man who knows his limits. I think he will purposefully keep his own salary down to ensure we always have the best coordinators. I think being a career d line coach, he isn't in is for money. He wants to win. He loves Louisiana.
Honestly, if you are running him down without letting it play out at least a year, you really need to assess whether you are an LSU fan or a fan of your own opinion.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 4:32 pm to tarzana
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if he had done the right thing, and beaten UF.
Give me a break, that game wasn't on O, it was on the players. None of those inexcusable player mistakes were O's fault. Not to mention, we beat them everywhere but on the scoreboard, and would have beaten them on the scoreboard too if it had not have been for one more last second player mistake again. Anyone that blames O for that lost, needs to get their head checked. Give me a break. Not every lost can be blamed on the coaches. Sometimes the players choke beyond the coaches control. That Florida game was one of them.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 5:03 pm to geauxtigahs87
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Even with better offensive play against bama, who know's if it translates to a win.
The problem with the Bama game more than anything else last season was the infamous Les Miles offense we were stuck with. It's not that Alabama beat our offensive line so damn badly, it's because they knew the vast overwhelming majority of the offensive plays we were going to run even before we snapped the ball.
You give anyone as good as Alabama's defense that advantage and they are going to beat you every time. I just wish we could have run a couple of sucker plays and caught them cheating, and then burned them for a couple of long touchdowns but we never did.
It will be very interesting this upcoming season to see how Canada attacks Alabama's defense. If he can at least keep them guessing, then we will have a chance to win if our defense plays good enough.
Some offenses give Alabama a hard time every year. They don't beat them because their defenses are so bad, but they at least score points on them. Alabama is not infallible. It can be beaten.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 5:24 pm to LSU Jax
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If O won the Fla game?
If my aunt had balls--nah ... not worth it.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:13 pm to LSU Jax
I know it shouldn't be important, but it really would have shored up his reputation in my eyes had we won that game. Orgeron's big selling point was supposed to be that he was a master motivator, yet he couldn't get LSU amped enough to win that game. And, the biggest knock against Miles was his players not being prepared for the situation. With the game on the line, in multiple situations, the players made huge mental errors that never should have been made. Players, late in the season, should not be running the wrong way on a called play with the game on the line, especially when they've already run that same play a half-dozen times that game. That's incredibly concerning.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 5/1/17 at 7:34 pm to Space Cowboy
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Not every lost can be blamed on the coaches
That is true, but the Florida loss can be squarely attributed to Orgeron. That game should not have even been close, as LSU was a significantly better team playing at home. It shouldn't have come down to a missed sideline tackle on a 97 yard play action, or a missed blocking assignment on the last play of the game.
Posted on 5/1/17 at 9:13 pm to LSU Jax
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So I bring all this up to basically ask one question. What if Guice runs left and waltzes into the endzone to get the victory on the last play of the game? Orgeron comes out with that tough fought, emotional win on his resume and finishes with a record of 7-1 (if bowl game is a win), with the only loss to the top powerhouse program in the nation.
What would be the narrative on him today?
The same because these stupid mofos slamming him all the time are the same ones who dick-rode Miles right into the sunset and continue to do so from afar.
Its hilarious that this new breed of nega-tigers were the same ones slamming the folks pissing on Miles while we WATCHED him do stupid things after stupid things.
They're using the Florida game as their linchpin to support their theory of Orgeron's impending failure.
Talk about fricking hypocrites a plenty....ridiculous!!!
Posted on 5/1/17 at 9:40 pm to Space Cowboy
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Herman wasn't proven, but nonetheless, because he ran the spread, a lot of people believed he was a guru, which he demonstrated during this last season that he was not. Not to mention, that he didn't want the LSU job anyway. I know a lot of people hold O's Ole Miss record over his head, but I believe that in his two stints as interim head coach at two top flight schools, that he proved he had learned his lessons from his mistake. Even Hugh Freeze says that had O been allowed to stay one more season he would have turned it around. In addition, when most people learn from their own stupid mistakes, they usually learn better. Herman, on the other hand, for me was way too unproven in my mind. Meanwhile, Herman was afraid of the LSU job, as he also admitted, and he obviously didn't want it.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:24 am to lsu2006
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He will likely have some success his first couple years due to his great assistants and great roster we have
Great assistants are his own doing, so he should get full credit for that. The "great roster" is a bit of a myth. Despite high recruiting rankings, this team has major talent and depth deficiencies in multiple areas. Linebacker is a mess, DL is still not great. The secondary is talented but will be depending on some guys who are yet unproven. The offensive line has work to do. We don't have very many receivers that we know we can count on. Our QB situation is still less than ideal, although better than it was a year ago. Comparing our roster to Alabama right now is an absolute joke. With equal coaching, Alabama would/should beat us by at least three TDs in Tuscaloosa this year.
This team will be challenged to perform well against a pretty tough schedule. Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, obviously Alabama and even Mississippi State are all very difficult games. Of course you can never overlook anybody in the SEC, so Arkie, Ole Miss and Aggy are not exactly breathers, either. The opener against BYU could be very tricky because they are a good team and they will already have played a game before. Troy has given us fits both times we've played them before, once under Saban and once under Miles. Syracuse certainly wasn't a pushover when we played them in 2015 even though they started a 5th-string walk-on freshman QB in his first game.
If we have success these first couple of years under Orgeron, it'll be a good sign for the future, because he certainly has not inherited a powerhouse like Miles did.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 9:27 am
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:32 am to Space Cowboy
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it really worked out well for recruiting as well.
We got hammered in our own state by Alabama. Our overall ranking was good, but we missed on multiple players in Louisiana that we desperately needed. We can give Orgeron a pass because a coaching change frequently disrupts recruiting, but we can't say, at least not yet, that "it really worked out well for recruiting". All we can do for now is be glad the bottom didn't fall out of recruiting and hope we do better in the future.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:42 am to LSU Jax
A win over UF would have put LSU into the Sugar Bowl for the 1st time in almost a decade.
So, yes, I believe it would have reduced a lot of concern for the hiring of Orgeron.
So, yes, I believe it would have reduced a lot of concern for the hiring of Orgeron.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:43 am to SammyTiger
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It would have been pretty big. That would have put us in the Sugar Bowl probably. A win in the sugar bowl would have been huge for the program.
I forget we would've finished in sole possession of second place in the SEC with a win in that game. Pissed about that Florida game all over again now. The SEC cannibalized itself last season. Its still Bama and everyone else.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:45 am to LSU Jax
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How would Orgeron be regarded with a win over UF?
I would still regard him as a 55 year old career position coach that wasnt getting coordinator offers. Ive been told not getting job offers means you suck as a coach.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 9:52 am to Rickdaddy4188
Stfu! Please...
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