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re: How was ole’ Paul’s talent evaluation so far off with Reid?

Posted on 3/21/19 at 6:09 am to
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 6:09 am to
Reid was relegated to a sub role last year and I would think that would affect his batting avg, running and attitude. Glad he has this chance.
Posted by StTiger
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 6:13 am to
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I’ve honestly never been a huge Reid fan. Obviously he’s having a great season and is the reason we’ve one some of the games we have.

But do baseball players really need to be in that great of shape? All you have to do is run 90 feet


Never liked him either. He reminds me of the late round pickups for fantasy that have 4 eligible positions. You will get a .275 average out of them, but it's going to be low RBI, low HR, low Runs and that's what he was. Up until this point, he wasn't an exciting player.

As far as the fitness thing, how many overly high level out of shape players do you see in the SEC? Orvis?
Pros you had CC and Bartolo Colon recently. And once CC stopped eating captain crunch, he had a hell of a season.
Certain positions can hide less physical fitness (1B, P) but C squats all day everyday, OF needs to chase down fly balls, INF occasionally has quick reaction diving plays that I'm sure a bregman can make 8 out of 10 times while Bartolo may get 2 out of 10
Just my speculation cause I'm Bartolo without the arm
Posted by josh336
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 6:17 am to
Eh, to be decent, probably not, to be good/great i think so. It obviously matters more for outfielders and middle infielders with the running. But in the sec, with difference in talent being so miniscule, and the expectations the fanbase puts on this program, they better be in tip top shape
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 6:27 am to
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Article in The Advocate or NOLA said the same thing about Reid, can't remember which. He even admitted to being lazy. He turned it around when given another chance, but no one could have predicted that.




Man you even read the article and that is what you got out of that?

All that stuff was about his first year or 2 in the program. The current narrative, and redemption story was that several players, past and present, called him the best teammate they've ever had.
Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 6:37 am to
Those clowns obviously didn’t read the article and just heard one or two quotes. The article made the point that during the Fall of his freshman year the other players didn’t know what to think about his outgoing personality. Then once they got to know him they said he was the best teammate they ever had.

The article also never said anything about being “routinely late”. It just stated that it happened once, maybe twice.


Meanwhile, what the article didn’t state is that you had his competition at third base, Jake Slaughter, openly pulling against his teammate and would be audibly upset in the dugout when his competition got a big hit.
Posted by jpk4lsu
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 7:15 am to
Ol Pawl is an average coach at an elite school and he’s making a living off the LSU brand that’s how! Oh I forgot he did win a championship 10 years ago though! Lmao
Posted by Gray Tiger
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 7:27 am to
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jpk4lsu
Posted by BigEdLSU
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 7:36 am to
Best comparison imo is mack brown.

Great fundraiser, can work a room, can recruit the rivals top 50 or whatever.

Probably would be a good a.d.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 7:39 am to
To be fair, it was t just talent evaluation. It was also production evaluation from multiple years

Reid’s production also warranted being looked at as one of the players to be potentially cut


OPS numbers coming from last year, except took Smiths 2017 numbers since he was out last year



OPS

Cabrera--.930
Watson---.845
Bain-------.834
Beau---.828
Duplantis--.824
Bryce---.818
Smith---.816
Slaughter---.778
Feduccia----.752
Reid---.721




Also, Reids slugging pct the last two years was .208 and .283. That is unreal low


He was last on the team in slugging and OPS for any player that got somewhat decent playing time besides Hughes.


Its a great story and its awesome to watch a local kid get his moment like Reid is doing right now, but it made complete sense why he was looked at as one of the players to cut in order to make room for the freshman coming in

Not sure why we have to "blame" anyone. Sometimes things like this happen and honestly nobody made a bad decision at the time.
This post was edited on 3/21/19 at 7:52 am
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 7:45 am to
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blame it on the coach, blame it on the player, whatever, just don't look a gift horse in the mouth, celebrate it

Exactly. I don’t know why people are trying to “blame” someone for this awesome development. At the time he was let go it made sense. But Reid obviously put in the work and has made himself a better player and now he’s getting the opportunity to show it. He’s always been outstanding in terms of plate discipline and general baseball know-how but he seems to have refined his tools now. I’ve enjoyed watching him play and I’m sure Mainieri is pretty happy too
Posted by bee Rye
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 7:58 am to
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states that someone had interviewed former teammates like Kramer Robertson. All said he was out of shape, routinely late to practice, and a douche that no one else really liked


When he first got to LSU. The same article went on to discuss how he changed that to become a hard worker and an excellent team mate.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 8:03 am to
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Also, Reids slugging pct the last two years was .208 and .283. That is unreal low




and led the team in OBP.
Posted by RidiculousHype
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 8:04 am to
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Labas had surgery and was out for the year, so a spot oppened.


False.

Labas still counts on the 35-man roster. The spot that opened for Reid was due to dismissing the Tulane transfer Kirsch. Media reports covered it when Reid was brought back:

“Mainieri also announced that veteran infielder Chris Reid will rejoin the program for his senior season. Infielder Michael Kirsch is no longer with the program as LSU opened up a roster spot for Reid.”
LINK

So the question is, had Reid really done so poorly in his first 3 seasons as a Tiger to warrant cutting him last fall in order to bring in Kirsch? I don’t believe Kirsch had contributed much at Tulane his freshman year.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 8:09 am to
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and led the team in OBP.
And? I included OPS.......

Given the choice, keeping a player pretty much dead last in OPS, dead last in slugging, who led the team in OBP but with a caveat of being one of your slower players as well isnt exactly easy to do


Are you really arguing that his production merited not being one of the players looked at for being cut? Because if you do, that sure is yourself going against pretty much every analytical approach to baseball you claim to like and respect in every other baseball thread
This post was edited on 3/21/19 at 8:15 am
Posted by mhc4tigers
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 8:13 am to
About as good as it was with hunter feducca
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 8:55 am to
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Its a great story and its awesome to watch a local kid get his moment like Reid is doing right now, but it made complete sense why he was looked at as one of the players to cut in order to make room for the freshman coming in



But that wasn't the case. He was cut to make room for the Tulane transfer, Michael Kirsch, who played OF for Tulane in 2017. He was 0-2 with a walk in three plate appearances.

Tirsch quit right before the season leaving a spot for Reid.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 8:59 am to
OBP is fundamentally the most important stat for an offensive player. The name of the game is NOT getting out. Pretty simple concept
Posted by The Pirate King
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:01 am to
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Paul has owned up to his mistake and rectified it. Chris has forgiven the mistake and moved past it. Literally the only people who can’t get over it are idiots on tigerdroppings


The premise of this thread is why he was so far off to begin with, not what Paul did after the fact.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:05 am to
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OBP is fundamentally the most important stat for an offensive player. The name of the game is NOT getting out. Pretty simple concept
Who hacked your account
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:06 am to
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The premise of this thread is why he was so far off to begin with
He wasnt

With the information in hand, who would everyone have cut instead of Reid?


I would like to actually hear answers
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