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re: How to fix NIL and yearly transfers.. Your thoughts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 4:22 pm to gar90
Posted on 12/17/24 at 4:22 pm to gar90
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I think the simplest solution is to say it's a 2 year minimum between transfers. If a kid signs and doesn't like where he is, fine you get to move, but you're stuck where you pick until you're at least a red-shirt junior.
You & everyone else who keeps saying that imposing a limitation on transferring in the current format needs to stop. That's simply not going to happen without the players being officially being hired on as employees, a player's union & a CBA. The whole reason for this current situation of unlimited transfers is due to the DOJ ruling that the old transfer rules violated antitrust laws. The NCAA is not going fight that battle again only just to lose again.
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The National Collegiate Athletic Association has agreed to end restrictions on some students' eligibility to play competitive sports when they transfer to a new school, in a settlement resolving a lawsuit by the U.S. Justice Department and a group of states.
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The plaintiffs challenged a NCAA rule that barred some transfer students from playing for at least a year. The lawsuit said the rule restrained student mobility in violation of U.S. antitrust law.
The proposed agreement, which does not include a monetary component, is subject to court approval.
Athletes in the NCAA’s Division I, the highest competitive level in U.S. collegiate sports, “will now be able to choose the institutions that best meet their academic, personal and professional development needs,” Jonathan Kanter, head of the Justice Department’s antitrust division, said on Thursday.
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Posted on 12/17/24 at 4:24 pm to dinosaur
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Maybe set up the NCAA to make rules about member schools and who can do what.
The NCAA is basically toothless & can't do squat. It's basically up to the conferences & individual institutions if something is to ultimately get done.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 4:30 pm to rsbd
False
Posted on 12/17/24 at 4:35 pm to BlueWaffleHouse
Collectives could negotiate this, schools can not.
Schools do not receive direct monetary benefits from NIL.
Schools do not receive direct monetary benefits from NIL.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 4:38 pm to mike4lsu
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[3] Allow all transfers to happen between 1st Feb and 1st March
Not feasible. Semesters end in December and start in January.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 5:24 pm to BigBrod81
You an not restrict a free individual from changing schools. A contractor under a binding contract or an employee under a binding agreement you can put rules and obligations related to their compensation.
Start a new college football association with all schools using the same agreed upon contracts. A player can transfer but cannot get compensated beyond what is agreed in the binding agreement. The individual can still move away from the Association schools and do the best they can with whomever is willing to pay them.
Start a new college football association with all schools using the same agreed upon contracts. A player can transfer but cannot get compensated beyond what is agreed in the binding agreement. The individual can still move away from the Association schools and do the best they can with whomever is willing to pay them.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 5:30 pm to Chicken
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Put 1 yr sit out penalty onto transfers.
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will never happen since coaches don't have to sit out when they move...
coaches pay a financial penalty (buyout) when they switch.
players currently have zero penalty.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 5:35 pm to Nutriaitch
quote:Because it's written in the contract… good luck trying to get a player to sign a similar type contract
coaches pay a financial penalty (buyout) when they switch
Posted on 12/17/24 at 6:08 pm to savecf101
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You an not restrict a free individual from changing schools. A contractor under a binding contract or an employee under a binding agreement you can put rules and obligations related to their compensation.
Such language cannot be placed in NIL contracts & is illegal pertaining to state & federal laws. Secondly, NIL deals are not negotiated directly with the universities themselves. The Collectives & participants are 3rd party organizations. Payments do not directly come from the institutions themselves so your comparison doesn't work here.
I'm not even sure such language is going to work once revenue sharing kicks in. Such language in revenue sharing deals would clash with NIL antitrust laws.
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Start a new college football association with all schools using the same agreed upon contracts. A player can transfer but cannot get compensated beyond what is agreed in the binding agreement. The individual can still move away from the Association schools and do the best they can with whomever is willing to pay them.
None of this works unless athletes become employees, athletes unionize & a CBA is agreed upon. Outside of that, you are just pissing in the wind because the players will lawyer back up & win in the court system.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 6:12 pm to rsbd
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It may sound dumb but these kids want to be payed as employees like coaches, so shouldn’t they play by the same rules..
This is the key point. When the players get paid then they lose a lot of these unlimited rules issues because they are no longer unpaid amatuers and have a contractual obligation to the program or league as whole and rules will matter again. I dont know what form roster control will take but if we start paying players straight up like the pros then we have gone batshit crazy.
Posted on 12/17/24 at 7:43 pm to Chicken
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Because it's written in the contract… good luck trying to get a player to sign a similar type contract
Exactly. These agents won't advise it either. Which brings up another factor that no one is discussing. Agents.
It's starting to look like it isn't necessarily the schools tampering with players from other schools yet more like agents shopping their clients services around. This would explain a majority of the head scratching portal entries across college like CJ Daniels & Ka'Morreun Pimpton.
College agents are getting a much larger chunk of a player's NIL deal than professional agents do for professional contracts. It's a numbers game to these agents. The more clients they can get in the portal per year, the more they make off the new NIL deal even if the new NIL is a slight increase of the previous deal. Wash, rinse & repeat yearly.
If an agent has 10-15 even 20 clients, it leads to a nice yearly payday having his clients jump into the portal every year. Colorado St HC recently spoke about this all.
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The latest example of how out of control the portal has become came from Jay Norvell at Colorado State, who has more than his share of firsthand experience with roster poaching as he previously shared two of his top players turned down significant pay days, one in the $600k range, to enter the portal. Both ultimately decided to stay put.
After an 8-4 season, his best since arriving in Fort Collins, Norvell blasted the independent agents that shop players around behind the scenes before approaching the kids themselves via social media direct messages to share how much schools are willing to pay them to transfer.
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"These kids are not thinking about getting into the portal, but when they have these people calling them and say, 'If you get in the portal, I'll get you $200,000...and by the way, I'm going to take 15% - 20% of that."
That cut Norvell shared the agents are taking dwarfs what NFLPA agents charge.
"So they're just stealing from these kids. An NFLPA agent gets 3%. A lot of these agents that are talking to all of our players, they are taking 10%, 15% or even 20%. That's really...criminal, really, but that is what is going on in college football."
"As much as we try to tell our players that, and educate them, when someone is offering you that kind of money, it's still hard for these kids."
"We talked to our top 26 kids, and they ALL have been offered, a lot of money."
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 12/17/24 at 7:52 pm to GetmorewithLes
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I dont know what form roster control will take but if we start paying players straight up like the pros then we have gone batshit crazy.
Welcome to batshit crazy then.
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The revenue-sharing era of college athletics is here, and now student-athletes will be putting more money in their pockets than ever before.
Revenue sharing across college sports will begin in the 2025-26 academic year, and as schools prepare for an unprecedented moment in collegiate athletics, the four power conferences sent their members an initial revenue cap number for next year, according to a report from Ross Dellenger of Yahoo.
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According to the report from Dellenger, the expectation is that schools will operate under a "projected" cap of $20.5 million next school year. The cap is 22% of Power 4 (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC) revenues from the previous academic year. Additionally, the cap has built in escalators of 4% in years two and three, before being recalculated in year four.
Schools are welcome to distribute the $20.5 million across its sports however they see fit. However, the expectation is that most power conference schools will heavily skew the payouts towards football and basketball players.
The revenue-sharing era of college athletics stems from the House v. NCAA court case that led to a settlement that stipulated $2.8 billion in back-pay to former athletes, a $20+ billion revenue sharing plan for current and future athletes (which is beginning in 2025-26) and new roster rules and enforcement for the power conferences in college athletics
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 12/18/24 at 10:23 am to BigBrod81
You are correct. So stop calling them NIL agreements and call them employee agreements or service contracts. If I hire you to represent my company I can absolutely have an agreement that forbids you from representing anyone else for the contracted period of time. The key is the “student” part of student athlete needs to drop. You are now a contracted professional bound by contract.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 11:20 am to savecf101
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You are correct. So stop calling them NIL agreements and call them employee agreements or service contracts. If I hire you to represent my company I can absolutely have an agreement that forbids you from representing anyone else for the contracted period of time. The key is the “student” part of student athlete needs to drop. You are now a contracted professional bound by contract.
Posted on 12/18/24 at 12:24 pm to rsbd
This is purely economics 101. Supply vs demand. Currently the demand for quality players massively outstrips supply. So much so that massive contracts are being handed out to unproven players that show potential.
The only way to fix this and lower costs is to increase the supply of quality talent.
One easy solution is to increase eligibility from 4 to 6 or 8 years.
The only way to fix this and lower costs is to increase the supply of quality talent.
One easy solution is to increase eligibility from 4 to 6 or 8 years.
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